Not Eating Pork (Biblical Reason?)
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Yes, we need faith, but pigs for example don't have faith in the finished work of Christ. The lesson here is about separation and division.
Peter was saying all food is good and wholesome. Peter was told, "Kill something and eat it" (v13) When Peter protested saying "I have never eaten any thing that is "unclean" he was told, "You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean." (v15)
Just as we are not to discriminate against certain foods, neither should we discriminate between people. The parable of the Good Samaritan is an example of discrimination between people of different classes. Another example is the Pharisee who prayed, 'O God, I thank you that I'm not like other people."
Taking it a step further as you did, nobody is to be regarded as excluded from the opportunity of salvation. We, like pork, according to some, are all unclean, but God can make us all clean. The gospel is for all. The barrier between Jew and Gentile has been broken down. Jesus, a Jew mixed freely with all people. Joy to the WORLD.
Peter was saying all food is good and wholesome. Peter was told, "Kill something and eat it" (v13) When Peter protested saying "I have never eaten any thing that is "unclean" he was told, "You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean." (v15)
Just as we are not to discriminate against certain foods, neither should we discriminate between people. The parable of the Good Samaritan is an example of discrimination between people of different classes. Another example is the Pharisee who prayed, 'O God, I thank you that I'm not like other people."
Taking it a step further as you did, nobody is to be regarded as excluded from the opportunity of salvation. We, like pork, according to some, are all unclean, but God can make us all clean. The gospel is for all. The barrier between Jew and Gentile has been broken down. Jesus, a Jew mixed freely with all people. Joy to the WORLD.
In Acts 10:12 Peter was shown all manner of fourfooted beasts and told to eat. No exceptions were made.
Further to this we are told every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused.
1Ti 4:1-5
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
(4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
(5) For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Further to this we are told every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused.
1Ti 4:1-5
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
(4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
(5) For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The verse says what GOD has cleansed call not common. No mention of the unclean only the Common. Don't add to the Word of GOD.
First let's take a look at the words meats and creatures.
Meats in verse three is Broma in the Greek. It means that which is eaten, food. Not necessarily meat but food. Plants or animals.
Creature in verse four is ktisma in the Greek and it means an original formation. In other words product; a created thing not necessarily a creature, a thing.
Secondly in verse three it says that this broma; food which is eaten is that which GOD created to be received. If you think and teach that the every ktisma; created thing of GOD is GOOD and nothing is to be refused is referring to everything You are mistaken. There is a long list of inedible animals and plants which will kill us if we eat them and some if we even touch. All of which would be found on the list to which GOD said are unclean.
Thirdly Paul's letter is to Timothy. Timothy had the Holy Spirit and was GROUNDED in the Holy Scriptures; the Pentateuch since he was a youth. He knew better. If it is a s you purport than the following exhortation to which Paul gives Timothy is wasted words.
2Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
First let's take a look at the words meats and creatures.
Meats in verse three is Broma in the Greek. It means that which is eaten, food. Not necessarily meat but food. Plants or animals.
Creature in verse four is ktisma in the Greek and it means an original formation. In other words product; a created thing not necessarily a creature, a thing.
Secondly in verse three it says that this broma; food which is eaten is that which GOD created to be received. If you think and teach that the every ktisma; created thing of GOD is GOOD and nothing is to be refused is referring to everything You are mistaken. There is a long list of inedible animals and plants which will kill us if we eat them and some if we even touch. All of which would be found on the list to which GOD said are unclean.
Thirdly Paul's letter is to Timothy. Timothy had the Holy Spirit and was GROUNDED in the Holy Scriptures; the Pentateuch since he was a youth. He knew better. If it is a s you purport than the following exhortation to which Paul gives Timothy is wasted words.
2Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Amen!
For we are dead nevertheless we live Yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD. For WE have been baptized into Christ and have put on Christ. (Gal 2:20; 3:27)
For the righteousness which is of (this) Faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; faith) down from above: ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; faith) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; Faith) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the Word; faith in our hearts and mouths) is the end of the (written) law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4-8)
For we are dead nevertheless we live Yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD. For WE have been baptized into Christ and have put on Christ. (Gal 2:20; 3:27)
For the righteousness which is of (this) Faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; faith) down from above: ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; faith) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; Faith) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the Word; faith in our hearts and mouths) is the end of the (written) law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4-8)
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So when you have no answer to the objective facts shared to you in relation to the verses you shared you jump to another verse? It is almost ironic that you quote Romans 14:14.
Romans 14:14 and Acts 10 have something in common. They both use the Greek word koinos which means common.
They do not use the word akathartos which is the word for unclean. This is put to us for our learning when Peter puts forward his reply to GOD in relation to the vision in Acts.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
The word "or" in the Greek is ἤ and is a primary particle of distinction between two connected terms. In other words the Clean and common are considered different in Peter's learning not the same.
In regards to Romans 14:14. No where else in the New Testament is the koinos translated unclean. It should be translated common not unclean. When dealing with unclean animals in particular the writers of the New Testament through the Holy Ghost were inspired to use the Greek word akathartos. I know of five instances. They are found in Acts 10:14; Acts 10:28; Acts 11:8; Rev 16:13; Rev 18:2 . And that is what they would have been INSPIRED to use if GOD had intended for Romans 14:14 to be in relation to unclean animals.
Romans 14:14 and Acts 10 have something in common. They both use the Greek word koinos which means common.
They do not use the word akathartos which is the word for unclean. This is put to us for our learning when Peter puts forward his reply to GOD in relation to the vision in Acts.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
The word "or" in the Greek is ἤ and is a primary particle of distinction between two connected terms. In other words the Clean and common are considered different in Peter's learning not the same.
In regards to Romans 14:14. No where else in the New Testament is the koinos translated unclean. It should be translated common not unclean. When dealing with unclean animals in particular the writers of the New Testament through the Holy Ghost were inspired to use the Greek word akathartos. I know of five instances. They are found in Acts 10:14; Acts 10:28; Acts 11:8; Rev 16:13; Rev 18:2 . And that is what they would have been INSPIRED to use if GOD had intended for Romans 14:14 to be in relation to unclean animals.
One can surmise that the original dietary laws were introduced by God to minimise disease. So, because pigs are rather undiscerning about what they eat, the will happily dispose of a human cadaver bones and all, and because we incorporate what we eat into ourselves, God defined the clean and the unclean. This goes for shellfish too, that are essentially sea bed scavengers.
Under the new covenant we can eat anything, but with the usual proviso: freedom imparts responsibility. 1 Cor 10:23 all things are lawful but not all things are expedient!
Pig meat is unhealthy and processed meat is the most unhealthy of all meats. Bacon and pork pies are your fast track to heaven, so if you want to be with the Lord sooner, rather than later, just ignore the law!
It is clear from Genesis that God intended man to eat vegetables and meat eating is a concessions to our fallen natures. Eating meat is disastrous for the planet and very cruel to the animals, but we are in a fallen creation, so each person has to decide for themselves.
Under the new covenant we can eat anything, but with the usual proviso: freedom imparts responsibility. 1 Cor 10:23 all things are lawful but not all things are expedient!
Pig meat is unhealthy and processed meat is the most unhealthy of all meats. Bacon and pork pies are your fast track to heaven, so if you want to be with the Lord sooner, rather than later, just ignore the law!
It is clear from Genesis that God intended man to eat vegetables and meat eating is a concessions to our fallen natures. Eating meat is disastrous for the planet and very cruel to the animals, but we are in a fallen creation, so each person has to decide for themselves.
So believe Jesus who persuaded Paul there is nothing unclean of itself.
Lets get a few things straight.
1. I am not Jew.
2. I am not under Jewish law.
3. The god of the Jews is the god of one nation.
4. The god of the Jews is the god of the scribes and Pharisees.
5. The god of the scribes and Pharisees is not the Father otherwise they would have known Jesus.
6. I worship Immanuel who was killed in the flesh, yet who lives to reign over us.
7. The surrounding nations did not die of pork poising.
8. Jesus said it is not what we eat that defiles us.
9. The true God, the creator God said, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you." (Gen 9:3 KJV)
10. This guy has it right. http://jesusalive.cc/ques154.htm
Lets get a few things straight.
1. I am not Jew.
2. I am not under Jewish law.
3. The god of the Jews is the god of one nation.
4. The god of the Jews is the god of the scribes and Pharisees.
5. The god of the scribes and Pharisees is not the Father otherwise they would have known Jesus.
6. I worship Immanuel who was killed in the flesh, yet who lives to reign over us.
7. The surrounding nations did not die of pork poising.
8. Jesus said it is not what we eat that defiles us.
9. The true God, the creator God said, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you." (Gen 9:3 KJV)
10. This guy has it right. http://jesusalive.cc/ques154.htm
Correction:
5. The God of the scribes and pharisees IS the Father
Nemely, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (who was himself a jew).
The fact that he was not recognised by the scribes and pharisees is irrelavent. Just as Jesus IS the king of the jews (it said so on the cross) whether the scribes and pharisees and modern jews recognise it or not.
But concerning the eating of meat, you are right.