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eternally-gratefull

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I dont think Jesus is saying that casting out demons and such means they were working iniquity.
I do not either

They were doing something else. Because Jesus did say that casting out demons and such were works that follow believing.
Was he referring to people like Judas. Who was stealing money. i dont know if he personally cast out any demons, maybe, but he was with them and perhaps could boast that he was helping when he was only pretending so he could steal all their money.
He said he never knew them, So they were never saved, Which means we can prety much be assured they did nto really do the things Jesus said they did, or if they did, not in the power of God.

That was jesus point. You want to come and try to throw your works in my face as to why I need to let you in heaven, I will tell you to go away
 

Lanolin

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True, all of God's word is written FOR us to learn, but not all are written TO us or ABOUT us.

Otherwise we will still be sacrificing lambs whenever we sin.
It seems You just dont want to remember the poor, but thats also what Jesus said in his sermon, blessed are the poor and Jesus was preaching a lot of things to Israel and you can just justify not following him by saying oh he was only saying it to his people that lived at the time, like picking and choosing only what YOU want to hear, it pretty obvious.

As for harping on, there are going to be a lot of harps in heaven, so if you dont like harps, sorry you out of luck.

Whenever 'we sin' whos we, or do you mean when you sin? Do you sin? What do you do with your sin, ever care to confess it? Or do you just say well Jesus is covering me, Im good then continue to right on sinning?

Do you know Jesus can forgive you and enable you so that you dont ever do that sin again? If you dont know what He can do then I suggest you go have a chat with Him about it.
 

Lanolin

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I do not either



He said he never knew them, So they were never saved, Which means we can prety much be assured they did nto really do the things Jesus said they did, or if they did, not in the power of God.

That was jesus point. You want to come and try to throw your works in my face as to why I need to let you in heaven, I will tell you to go away
Yep. They were lying.
 

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When Jesus says they work iniquity, what are those iniquities.
Can anyone name them?
Righteousness can be summed up with love that does not harm our neighbor. So the opposite of this would be anything that reflects hate or what harms our neighbor.
 

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I dont think Jesus is saying that casting out demons and such means they were working iniquity. They were doing something else. Because Jesus did say that casting out demons and such were works that follow believing.
Was he referring to people like Judas. Who was stealing money. i dont know if he personally cast out any demons, maybe, but he was with them and perhaps could boast that he was helping when he was only pretending so he could steal all their money.
How about NAR churches like Bethel in Redding? Doing signs and wonders but embracing false teaching.
 
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Whenever 'we sin' whos we, or do you mean when you sin? Do you sin? What do you do with your sin, ever care to confess it? Or do you just say well Jesus is covering me, Im good then continue to right on sinning?

Do you know Jesus can forgive you and enable you so that you dont ever do that sin again? If you dont know what He can do then I suggest you go have a chat with Him about it.
I will let scripture answer you

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. Hebrews 10:2

1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer? Romans 6

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1
 

Lanolin

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How about NAR churches like Bethel in Redding? Doing signs and wonders but embracing false teaching.
Dont those NAR churches steal from the sheep. They charge people to go to their supernatural school or something? When the holy spirit cant be bought or sold.
 

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Dont those NAR churches steal from the sheep. They charge people to go to their supernatural school or something? When the holy spirit cant be bought or sold.
That's riiiiggghhhtt.
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If you looking only at the surface, you can judge incorrectly about churches.

One of the enemies tactics to attack new born again believers is to isolate them from the Church family.

.I know when I was first born again, I had the same thoughts

I have since learned I was being judgemental and looking at others sins and imperfections.

You will never find a perfect church this side of the grave.

We are all humans and we have flaws. We sin, we hurt others by what we say and do. Even more we hurt others by what we don't say and do.

However I believe it's wrong to say that there are no other born again believers.

Typically I find them to be the quiet ones praying in the background. The ones making food in the kitchen, gathering clothes for the homeless, reading with a child in the schools.

God leads us to do many different things.