Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

[FollowHisSteps]

I've heard your version before also, especially on forums but never at Church as it amounts to salvation by works. Ones like you confuse the Redemptive Work which Christ performed (which when embraced results in eternal life and a new heart through the rebirth) with our sanctification. You can't mix the two.
Your formula won't save a soul as no one perfectly loves God With ALL their heart mind and soul all the time, and that is what is required not to hear the words, "depart from me, ye worker of iniquity."

P.S. taking Jeremiah out of context does not impress me either.

When did God say perfectly?
All the righteous of God love God with their hearts, with their strength, with their soul.
How we say it is not all, I wonder?

Abraham loved God by offering his son Issac.
I think we confuse loving with the struggle of other loyalties.
Loyalties exist and so they should, as parents we love our children and as children we
love and honour our parents. We know how we react when a test comes.

Some like yourself talk about salvation by works when this is not applicable.
The creed of the Nazarene Church expresses things such as myself and so has the holiness
movement down through the centuries.

And salvation is not about achieving the end of the road but walking it.
And I know too many who do not even walk one step but think they know Jesus.
Because Jesus is not Lord of their hearts, nor for one second would they obey Him.

So I resign myself to knowing many are called but few are chosen. God bless you.

 

[crossnote]

When did God say perfectly?
All the righteous of God love God with their hearts, with their strength, with their soul.
How we say it is not all, I wonder?

Abraham loved God by offering his son Issac.
I think we confuse loving with the struggle of other loyalties.
Loyalties exist and so they should, as parents we love our children and as children we
love and honour our parents. We know how we react when a test comes.

Some like yourself talk about salvation by works when this is not applicable.
The creed of the Nazarene Church expresses things such as myself and so has the holiness
movement down through the centuries.

And salvation is not about achieving the end of the road but walking it.
And I know too many who do not even walk one step but think they know Jesus.
Because Jesus is not Lord of their hearts, nor for one second would they obey Him.

So I resign myself to knowing many are called but few are chosen. God bless you.

Sanctification is about walking it. Regeneration is the beginning of that walk.
Have you been born again?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Sanctification is about walking it. Regeneration is the beginning of that walk.
Have you been born again?

I am born from the Holy Spirit from on high.
My heart is kept in Christ, lost in His love and grace.
Many do not know why they are born again, and do not let Him touch their hearts.
When you read the sermon on the mount is it a fragrance of life or of death?

I have had both reactions from different people, which I find interesting, because
I know my heart and that is what I can testify to, Amen.

 

[crossnote]

When you read the sermon on the mount is it a fragrance of life or of death?

Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
(Mat 5:1-12)

When I read it, it is something that I see God is molding me into day by day. Many of those traits are the fruit of the Spirit...but I see it's source and foundation on a bloody cross outside Jerusalem some 2000 years ago, where my sins were placed and His life extended through His death and resurrection.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
(Mat 5:1-12)

When I read it, it is something that I see God is molding me into day by day. Many of those traits are the fruit of the Spirit...but I see it's source and foundation on a bloody cross outside Jerusalem some 2000 years ago, where my sins were placed and His life extended through His death and resurrection.

Amen brother, I feel the same.
And this is my puzzlement, some do not have this experience.
So though our emphasis may differ, God is at work in us His perfect will to carry out to completion,
and it is in this I rejoice. God bless you brother.

 

[Blik]

In regards to Matthew 7:21-23, I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is by works.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

John 6:40 - For My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved and Jesus tells them to depart from Him and refers to them as evildoers. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin, because they remain in their sins without the blood of Christ to wash away their sins. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people were not true converts. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers. There are those who are "religious" but not right with God.

Without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6) no matter how many so called wonderful works that these many people set out to accomplish.

I think you should get a more rounded view of "trusting in their works". It is so very true, God tells us this is true. But God is a God of a healthy mind, a mind that is in perfect balance. There is a way that works enters in to the mind of God, a mind that we accept within ourselves when we accept Christ. I think you should give this part of salvation more thought.

When we take communion we take the blood and the body of Christ, we accept that Christ paid for our sin. But then we accept the body, and Christ certainly did not tell the Father that because of His grace he would not work as I know you don't tell God that. Our work is not godlike, it isn't counted for our salvation. But our willingness to work and our accepting Christ in our life is. I think you need to give this part of salvation more thought.

 

[pottersclay]

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

This is the same thing that happened in the offerings from Cain and Abel.

 

[JaumeJ]

Availing oneself to serv e the Father because of faith in His Only Begotten Son will always be good work(s).

If the executor of any miracle is doing it somehow without faith and without availing himself to the Father, he(she) is not receiving the gift of service. Either way, any work or miracle donein the name of out Savior glorifies Him…….. So allow miracles in His name always. Anyone who witnesses them may be converted because fthe wor done in Christ's name

 

[JaumeJ]

News flash to the separatists in the Word.

There are not separate audiences in the Word as per the learning frm it. All of the Word is for our edification.

Anyone say Paul is addressing the Jews only here, and the Greek only there, is saying pAUL IS NOT TEACHING THE Word BUT A PERSONAL AGENDA, AND THIS IS NOT SO.

 

[Guojing]

News flash to the separatists in the Word.

There are not separate audiences in the Word as per the learning frm it. All of the Word is for our edification.

Anyone say Paul is addressing the Jews only here, and the Greek only there, is saying pAUL IS NOT TEACHING THE Word BUT A PERSONAL AGENDA, AND THIS IS NOT SO.

Let Galatians 2 make it clear to you, about the separate audience.

Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

A simple reality, Israel is Gods testimony to the world, Jesus being the cornerstone of how to live.

It is one united message, about what is love and what is righteousness.
Anyone who tries to believe there is something different at each stage in deluded.

5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts.
Deuteronomy 6:5-6

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your min
Luke 10:27

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
1 John 4:8-9

God has remained the same and deals with the righteous and the wicked the same.

5 The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates.
Psalm 11:5

49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
Matt 13:49-50

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1:11

 

[JaumeJ]

Let Galatians 2 make it clear to you, about the separate audience.

Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

Is Paul's teaching for Jews only? He may be speaking to primarily Jews, but his message, if from God is for all who praie God.

 

[Guojing]

Is Paul's teaching for Jews only? He may be speaking to primarily Jews, but his message, if from God is for all who praie God.

Verses 7-9 not clear enough for you? Peter James and John, the Jerusalem leaders, agreed that Paul is to the Gentiles while the 3 of them are to the Jews.

When I read of Christians here keep harping on James 2 and insist that we follow what James said regarding faith and works, I can only shake my head.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is it not clear that if all scripture is for learning and edification, it doe snotmatter to whom the words are actively directled they are for all who believe God.

AS for your statement, it is odd that Peter is considered by the RCC the founder of the church, yet it is also said, by Paul, tht Paul is the teache of the Gentiles...…...All is for our edification. I do not steer folks ever, and especially in saying such thing as Peter is for the Jews and Paul if for the Gentiles.

Bottom line, the letters are for all to learn.

 

[Guojing]

Is it not clear that if all scripture is for learning and edification, it doe snotmatter to whom the words are actively directled they are for all who believe God.

AS for your statement, it is odd that Peter is considered by the RCC the founder of the church, yet it is also said, by Paul, tht Paul is the teache of the Gentiles...…...All is for our edification. I do not steer folks ever, and especially in saying such thing as Peter is for the Jews and Paul if for the Gentiles.

Bottom line, the letters are for all to learn.

True, all of God's word is written FOR us to learn, but not all are written TO us or ABOUT us.

Otherwise we will still be sacrificing lambs whenever we sin.

 

[JaumeJ]

From the instant anyone is given to believe the Lamb of God as Lord and Sav ior the thought of another sacrifice for sin is an abomination…….. All who believe are pretty much clear on this matter….

 

[Lanolin]

When Jesus says they work iniquity, what are those iniquities.
Can anyone name them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and verse 23 plainly reveals why they are cast off, not because of those good works or trusting in them the verse doesnt even say that. they were cast off because they were workers of iniquity, unrepentant sinners. all signs and wonders visions and dreams but no repentance no changed heart no changed life. just a vain profession.

this is the truth. the whole truth and nothing but the truth. thank you Jesus amen.

Um Yeah actually it does.. It says he never knew them, So how could they do works which were empowered By Christ if he never knew them

They were doing these works, IN ORDER to make themselves worthy of salvation, And when they stood on judgment day, Jesus said sorry, I never knew you. And since I never knew you. You practiced what you were (sin)

 

[Lanolin]

Um Yeah actually it does.. It says he never knew them, So how could they do works which were empowered By Christ if he never knew them

They were doing these works, IN ORDER to make themselves worthy of salvation, And when they stood on judgment day, Jesus said sorry, I never knew you. And since I never knew you. You practiced what you were (sin)

I dont think Jesus is saying that casting out demons and such means they were working iniquity. They were doing something else. Because Jesus did say that casting out demons and such were works that follow believing.
Was he referring to people like Judas. Who was stealing money. i dont know if he personally cast out any demons, maybe, but he was with them and perhaps could boast that he was helping when he was only pretending so he could steal all their money.

 

[John146]

Verses 7-9 not clear enough for you? Peter James and John, the Jerusalem leaders, agreed that Paul is to the Gentiles while the 3 of them are to the Jews.

When I read of Christians here keep harping on James 2 and insist that we follow what James said regarding faith and works, I can only shake my head.

I would also add that the verses at hand are about the physical kingdom come to earth during the Millennial reign of Christ.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Entrance into this kingdom is based upon perseverance, enduring to the end. This is a Jewish doctrine during the tribulation, Jacob's trouble. It is the fulfillment of the promise to the nation of Israel of an earthly kingdom with the rightful king sitting on the throne of David...all Jewish in content. To apply this passage to the Church is not sound doctrine.