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John 6:38, Christ only died for the sins of those that his Father gave to him, and God did not give him all mankind, if he had died for all mankind, then all mankind will live in heaven, because Jesus said that he would not lose any of those that he died for. That is why everyone is not saved.
Can i ask you a question? what does this mean?

1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
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After repent for salvation become new creation, is new creation can not sin?
Yes but the Issue Is no longer sin but belief.
JESUS paid the price for us satisfying the demand of the law righteously which meant Death for those that break the law HE had mercy on us because we could not meet GODs perfect standard of righteousness taking our place sacrificing HIS life to a righteous loving GOD.
 
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Yes but the Issue Is no longer sin but belief.
JESUS paid the price for us satisfying the demand of the law righteously which meant Death for those that break the law HE had mercy on us because we could not meet GODs perfect standard of righteousness taking our place sacrificing HIS life to a righteous loving GOD.
Yes, but He also died to redeem us a people unto Himself, to the praise of His Glory.
 
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Why should you repent if salvation is irrevocable? why do you keep repenting? what happens if you don't repent?
When I sin I confess it and ask God to help me not sin, because I want to have unbroken fellowship with Him, and I want to bear fruit, and sin hinders us from living fully to His Glory
 

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Yes but the Issue Is no longer sin but belief.
JESUS paid the price for us satisfying the demand of the law righteously which meant Death for those that break the law HE had mercy on us because we could not meet GODs perfect standard of righteousness taking our place sacrificing HIS life to a righteous loving GOD.
So you believe, after accepting Jesus, and keep murder still go to heaven because Jesus paid his sin?

As long as you believe Jesus is God than you do not need to repent from murder?
 

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When I sin I confess it and ask God to help me not sin, because I want to have unbroken fellowship with Him, and I want to bear fruit, and sin hinders us from living fully to His Glory
The only question for is, what is sin? when it is said that we are sinful from our mothers womb, what do they mean by sin?Does a one week old need to repent to have unbroken fellowship with God?
 

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So you believe, after accepting Jesus, and keep murder still go to heaven because Jesus paid his sin?

As long as you believe Jesus is God than you do not need to repent from murder?
If you are among those that God choose before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4, God has quickened you to a new spiritual life, and Christ has died to pay for every sin that you have done and ever will do and you are secure in going to heaven.
 

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all scriptures must harmonize if you are to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. The word "world" in 1 John 2:2 is the world of believers, the elect of God.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

If world means believers, who are these "..ours.."? the underlined word (ours), who does it represent?
It clearly says, ours and not only ours but also the whole world.
 
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When I sin I confess it and ask God to help me not sin, because I want to have unbroken fellowship with Him, and I want to bear fruit, and sin hinders us from living fully to His Glory
To be clear are you saying that you will lose your salvation If you don’t repent after every sin committed after salvation or are you saying you repent after salvation because you have been made clean and just and you are renewing your mind to match the new creation you have become?
The reason I ask Is because some Interpret
1 John 1:9
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9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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Some Interpret this scripture to be talking about after salvation.
IMO This scripture Is talking about people coming to CHRIST and not a recipe so to speak or requirement to stay saved.
 
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The only question for is, what is sin? when it is said that we are sinful from our mothers womb, what do they mean by sin?Does a one week old need to repent to have unbroken fellowship with God?
Does a one week old even have fellowship with God? I believe infants are under grace, but don’t know about fellowship with God.
 
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To be clear are you saying that you will lose your salvation If you don’t repent after every sin committed after salvation or are you saying you repent after salvation because you have been made clean and just and you are renewing your mind to match the new creation you have become?
The reason I ask Is because some Interpret
1 John 1:9
King James Version


9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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Some Interpret this scripture to be talking about after salvation.
IMO This scripture Is talking about people coming to CHRIST and not a recipe so to speak or requirement to stay saved.
In answer to your question, the latter position, definitely not the former
 

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If you are among those that God choose before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4, God has quickened you to a new spiritual life, and Christ has died to pay for every sin that you have done and ever will do and you are secure in going to heaven.
The way you respon to my question is, you believe after accepting Jesus keep murder, rob the bank still go to heaven, am I correct?
 

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Does a one week old even have fellowship with God? I believe infants are under grace, but don’t know about fellowship with God.
Who do you think is not under the grace? Truly truly i tell, infants are in full fellowship with God, "..unless you change and become like the little children, you shall not see the kingdom of God...."
 

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The way you respon to my question is, you believe after accepting Jesus keep murder, rob the bank still go to heaven, am I correct?
If you are one of God's elect that Christ died for, then , yes, you still go to heaven. After you are born again and sin, that sin will keep you from having fellowship with God and God will chasten you for the sin, until you repent, but it will not keep you out of heaven. The thing about being born again is that we are born unto good works, that is, we have a desire to do good works, and that does not mean that we always do good works.
 

Jackson123

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If you are one of God's elect that Christ died for, then , yes, you still go to heaven. After you are born again and sin, that sin will keep you from having fellowship with God and God will chasten you for the sin, until you repent, but it will not keep you out of heaven. The thing about being born again is that we are born unto good works, that is, we have a desire to do good works, and that does not mean that we always do good works.
Seem little confusing to me.

A. You say after accepting Jesus keep rob the bank still go to heaven No need repent,

B. than you say God Will chasten you until you repent.

A you believe you do not need repent

B you believe you need repent.

So in order to go to heaven, A or B
 
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So you believe, after accepting Jesus, and keep murder still go to heaven because Jesus paid his sin?

As long as you believe Jesus is God than you do not need to repent from murder?
Yes
The bible says that those who have been born AGain of Incorruptible seed WILL seek to purify themselves even as they are pure In other words when GOD makes a person's spirit perfect they will have a desire to be perfect In their mind/body to match their new creation In CHRIST.
So then the emphasis Is not on sin but Faith whosoever believes the WORD manifested to the five senses/flesh.
 

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Yes
The bible says that those who have been born AGain of Incorruptible seed WILL seek to purify themselves even as they are pure In other words when GOD makes a person's spirit perfect they will have a desire to be perfect In their mind/body to match their new creation In CHRIST.
So then the emphasis Is not on sin but Faith whosoever believes the WORD manifested to the five senses/flesh.
I am agree that after Jesus in our heart, we Will purified by Jesus, but Seem to me not over night. It is a proces when Jesus in our heart, we do not want to kill other but to love, but as a baby though live baby, It can't walk perfectly, need learn, It may fall and make mistake. But I believe when we fall in sin we need to repent again. Say for some reason a born again Christian kill other, he have to ask God forgiveness and stop killing.

When David kill uriah and Nathan confront him, and he confest.

2 Samuel 12

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

The way David respon is confest and fasting ask the Lord If He forgive him and not kill his son.

So I believe we need repent, regret what we do and ask forgiveness every time we sin.
 
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I am agree that after Jesus in our heart, we Will purified by Jesus, but Seem to me not over night. It is a proces when Jesus in our heart, we do not want to kill other but to love, but as a baby though live baby, It can't walk perfectly, need learn, It may fall and make mistake. But I believe when we fall in sin we need to repent again. Say for some reason a born again Christian kill other, he have to ask God forgiveness and stop killing.

When David kill uriah and Nathan confront him, and he confest.

2 Samuel 12

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

The way David respon is confest and fasting ask the Lord If He forgive him and not kill his son.

So I believe we need repent, regret what we do and ask forgiveness every time we sin.
Do you mean repent again for salvation or did you mean repent again when you are In your everyday walk here on earth In the process of renewing your mind to the new creation you have become from your spirit being made perfect?
 

Jackson123

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Do you mean repent again for salvation or did you mean repent again when you are In your everyday walk here on earth In the process of renewing your mind to the new creation you have become from your spirit being made perfect?
I mean If after born again we murder people, we have to repent from murder, or stop murder. Like David murder uriah, than regret and not murder anymore though God still punish him and say David son Will die.

That mean God want David to obey the Lord, not kill for his wife.

1 John 2

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

In this verse also state : we know that we know Him if we keep His command.

It mean, we may think we know Him but is not.

The sign whether we know God or not is do we keep or obey His command?

Base oN These verses how people that keep murder and not repent save?