Nothing Old…Nothing New

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Seeker47

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Nehemiah 9:20
“You (YHWH) gave your good spirit to instruct them”

This passage is a prayer of those who returned from exile. As they struggled to rebuild the Temple and God’s earthly city, they recalled the gifts God provides to his people.

John 14:26
“But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

Yeshua reassuring his disciples that God would send them the same gift as they struggle to advance Yeshua’s word.
 

Nehemiah6

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How does the title of the thread relate to what is posted? The outpouring of the Holy Spirit -- "whom the Father will send in my name" -- is very clearly new. and could only happen after Christ ascended back to Heaven.
 

Seeker47

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My point is, and I believe it critical; if we divide God's word in two and then reject half as "Old" and only preach what is "New"' we miss seeing the full truth. Even worse, there is a risk, especially for new believers, to fall into false worship. I see and hear evidence of that every day, and I haven't even mentioned the word "Grace" yet. Much of the modern church has gone astray from its roots and is suffering for that error. Using "Old" Testament quotes to support a "New" Testament sermon just doesn't do justice to God's word.

Before the hate starts, I am not in any way minimizing or downplaying the works and deeds of Jesus who is my Lord and Savior. I am perhaps pleading for people to see his redemption in a much larger framework; to see his grace in a richer, deeper and more exciting way. Pleading with others to take the time to read and thrill at the full story of God's grace in all it's Glory. Pleading for the truth to be preached, not just part.

I apologize ahead if my words cause offence, they are not met to do so.
 

Nehemiah6

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My point is, and I believe it critical; if we divide God's word in two and then reject half as "Old" and only preach what is "New"' we miss seeing the full truth
No Christians in their right mind "reject" the Old Testament. It is a vital part of the Bible, But God and Christ themselves have set aside the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses). So if you wish to oppose them, you will not see the New Covenant as something from God. If you wish to agree with them you will not revert to Moses.
 

Pilgrimshope

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My point is, and I believe it critical; if we divide God's word in two and then reject half as "Old" and only preach what is "New"' we miss seeing the full truth. Even worse, there is a risk, especially for new believers, to fall into false worship. I see and hear evidence of that every day, and I haven't even mentioned the word "Grace" yet. Much of the modern church has gone astray from its roots and is suffering for that error. Using "Old" Testament quotes to support a "New" Testament sermon just doesn't do justice to God's word.

Before the hate starts, I am not in any way minimizing or downplaying the works and deeds of Jesus who is my Lord and Savior. I am perhaps pleading for people to see his redemption in a much larger framework; to see his grace in a richer, deeper and more exciting way. Pleading with others to take the time to read and thrill at the full story of God's grace in all it's Glory. Pleading for the truth to be preached, not just part.

I apologize ahead if my words cause offence, they are not met to do so.
Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.

Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“so shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭52:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Seeker47

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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

I know Jesus brought "The Law" from a physical realm to a spiritual realm, but even that is in the "Old" Testament.

"You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise."
 

Pilgrimshope

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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

I know Jesus brought "The Law" from a physical realm to a spiritual realm, but even that is in the "Old" Testament.

"You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise."
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them,


Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭