Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

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Galatians2-20 said:
I agree with you 100%.

I wasn't sure at first. However, I'm pretty confident that you are dealing with advocates of "Hyper Grace" theology, which is the latest trend on Christian television.
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Now you know your wrong Kenneth :)
 
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KennethC said:
Well when a person is trying to take one verse out of a whole passage and trying to make it stand alone is the wrong approach.
You can not take 1 John 1:7 without verses 8-10 as well !!!

It all works together as well as the rest of what Apostle John says in his epistle, as he says those who are born of God (born again) can not sin. We can not sin when we walk by the fruits of the Spirit (light) because those are the opposite of sin, when you sin that means you were drawn back to darkness by your own lusts.
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It is the spirit that is born again and CANNOT SIN because it is BORN of GOD......the body is DEAD because of SIN.....
 
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KennethC said:
Actually no it is not built off one verse, and I gave a few previously that this came from and it was taught in the early church before Catholic dogma was around. So confessing ones sins is not just a Catholic thing to be done !!!
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Where do you get this information Kenneth? The only early writtings are those by the catholic church which they preserved to defend their errors.
 
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1 John 1:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Romans 7:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP] O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Its our flesh that sins all the time, not necessary our Lusts. You can still not lust and sin. Lust is just only one kind of sin. There are many others.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred is not a Lust but yet its a sin. Being jealous is not a lust but its a sin. There are many sins not based on Lust alone.
 
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Read the article in the original post, that post on 1 John 1:7 was just an added point to ponder. Also, it isn't the only verse when you consider Jesus said of His followers that they shall never be in darkness but have the light of life (Him). It was a thought to ponder, but the real meat of this discussion goes to the article at hand and how it shows that the verses coincidentally seem to be addressing each and every belief of the Gnostics. If you did a side by side comparison of what Gnosticism believes and what John is preaching, its as if He is addressing their beliefs as to reveal to them the truth and reality of Jesus Christ.

PS: It uses history and scripture to make its point.
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I have studied this well and like another told you earlier is that the Apostle John includes himself in these passages.
 
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Galatians2-20 said:
I agree with you 100%.

I wasn't sure at first. However, I'm pretty confident that you are dealing with advocates of "Hyper Grace" theology, which is the latest trend on Christian television.
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I am pretty confident as well...that your broad brush and application of (hyper grace) is out of order, nothing more than an assumption, your opinion, does not necessarily make you or him right etc.........
 
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KennethC said:
Walking by the Light is the same as saying walking by the Spirit !!!

If sin is still ever present in your bodies as in you continue to sin everyday then you are saying you walk in the flesh everyday.
Apostle Paul clearly says that we can not walk by the flesh and by the Spirit both, as that is the mind of one who is carnal and that way leads to eternal death.
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Again your avoiding the clear error of your logic by trying to change the subject... please explain how sin can be in the light?
 
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Mitspa said:
Where do you get this information Kenneth? The only early writtings are those by the catholic church which they preserved to defend their errors.
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Well that is wrong Mitspa because anything before the 4th century was not Catholic dogma !!!

The term catholic was not even used tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD) and at this point it was not used in the way we see it today with the RCC.

It was only used as a descriptive term to explain the universal aspect that all denominations could become believers in Christ.

All the writings that we have from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries are not Catholic, and another gave such writings from Barnabas, Ignatius, and a couple others from this time period that showed confession of sins was taught in the early church before Catholic dogma was on the scene.
 
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Mitspa said:
Again your avoiding the clear error of your logic by trying to change the subject... please explain how sin can be in the light?
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I never said sin can be in the light ???

I clearly said 4 times now that you are drawn away from the light by your own lusts and are in darkness when you sin, it was Ben that said we sin in the light.
 
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Also in the O,T, it talks about confessing our sins.

Psalm 32:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,"And You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah

There there are TWO verses for confessing our sins.
 
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KennethC said:
Well that is wrong Mitspa because anything before the 4th century was not Catholic dogma !!!

The term catholic was not even used tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD) and at this point it was not used in the way we see it today with the RCC.

It was only used as a descriptive term to explain the universal aspect that all denominations could become believers in Christ.

All the writings that we have from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries are not Catholic, and another gave such writings from Barnabas, Ignatius, and a couple others from this time period that showed confession of sins was taught in the early church before Catholic dogma was on the scene.
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Of course they was part of the catholic falling away Kenneth the fact the RCC uses these writtings to establish their errors prove these writtings cannot be trusted and should be seen as the error that came in after Paul and the others departed. you want to rely on catholic documents ...that's on you. I reject any writing that upholds catholic error.
 
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Actually we are not drawn away from the Light just by our Lusts. We are also drawn away when we take our eyes off of God.
 
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Adam gave into sin not by Lust, but by Love for Eve.
 
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KennethC said:
I never said sin can be in the light ???

I clearly said 4 times now that you are drawn away from the light by your own lusts and are in darkness when you sin, it was Ben that said we sin in the light.
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so sin cannot be in the light...so how can He cleanse sin in the light if sin cannot be there? Think about it Kenneth, allow your mind to read and believe the evident truth of scripture and you will be surprise what you might learn.
 
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dcontroversal said:
It is the spirit that is born again and CANNOT SIN because it is BORN of GOD......the body is DEAD because of SIN.....
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That is just a way one created to excuse a person who continues to keep deliberately sinning, as the bible clearly says by walking in the Spirit you put to death your members that cause you to sin. Meaning that you put them off and not continue to do those sins any more.

Even Apostle Peter says that if those fruits are added to your faith you will "never stumble".......2 Peter 1:10


Stumbling is when one of the faith sins again, and Apostle John even says I write these things to you so that you will not sin (1 John 2:1) but "if" not when you sin again we have an advocate that when you confess those sins you will be forgiven.
 
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Again Kenneth ..your trying to avoid the clear error of your logic...if sin cannot be in the light, how can it be cleansed in the light?
 
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Mitspa said:
so sin cannot be in the light...so how can He cleanse sin in the light if sin cannot be there? Think about it Kenneth, allow your mind to read and believe the evident truth of scripture and you will be surprise what you might learn.
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He cleanses it because you confessed of it and returned to walking in His ways, therefore by keeping yourself in the light by confessing that sin done in darkness will be forgiven of.

When you sinned it was not in the light because light has no fellowship with darkness, and darkness is sin.
 
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Mitspa said:
Again Kenneth ..your trying to avoid the clear error of your logic...if sin cannot be in the light, how can it be cleansed in the light?
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No I have answered it multiple times and you just can't accept the biblical supportive answers I gave.

You can not sin while walking in the Light if that was possible then you would be saying the Lord can deny Himself, because you would be saying the Holy Spirit can sin. The fruits of the Spirit that we are to walk by which is walking in the Light can and will not have one sin, only when you are drawn away back to darkness can you sin.

If you return to the Light by confessing your sins then it will be covered in the Light by the Lord's blood, that scripture is not saying a person sins in the Light.
 
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KennethC said:
He cleanses it because you confessed of it and returned to walking in His ways, therefore by keeping yourself in the light by confessing that sin done in darkness will be forgiven of.

When you sinned it was not in the light because light has no fellowship with darkness, and darkness is sin.
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well its still in the light Kenneth..and light just means we are walking in the truth of the gospel. We all have sin in the flesh so are you trying to say that none of us can walk in the light?

Your logic takes you in circles that cannot be true Kenneth.
 
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