Often misunderstood part of the Bible (1 John 1:8-19)

kennethcadwell · Mar 28, 2015

Thank you and yes our understanding of that verse maybe a little different however we both agree the same that future sins do have to be confessed to receive the Lord's remission for them. I do not know how much more clearly John has to make those first two chapters in order to get people to realize that. Sins that are not confessed are not forgiven of, and therefore no remission is received for them. However the difference between you and me in this is that I do not believe that 1 unconfessed sin will cost one salvation unless they continue to live that way everyday in that sin.
I for one stand by the standard Lord's prayer that He gave, and the example that David also gave in the Psalms. As both show a generic prayer for forgiveness, and that people do not have to personally label every single sin by name to be forgiven.

Jason0047 · Mar 28, 2015

dcontroversal said:

No dear sir. Not once were ever really nice to me when we debate. You are condescending, rude, and you refuse to see what I had written in it's proper context. I believe it would hurt your pride for you to admit you are wrong in such a case. For I know all about bullies when I was picked on for being fat in grade school. I know when when someone is being loving and when someone is not.

Jason0047 · Mar 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

I agree that the Lord's prayer can cover sin if they are unsure of the sin and or if it is a sin that they are acknowledging mentally while they say just general words to the Lord that express deep regret for their sin. But the Lord's prayer cannot be some mindless recitation like how most people do the Lord's prayer these days. For I remember reciting that prayer before I was saved and it didn't really mean anything. The prayer is more like an outline of how we are to pray and our confessing of sin has to be of a truly sorrowful heart. A Godly sorrow.

I also believe that Ananais and Sapphira and others were not saved for the type of really wrong evil that they did; And I don't believe that believers who commit suicide are saved, either. This of course is all based on 1 John 1:9. For shouldn't a person's death reflect how they lived?

Jason0047 · Mar 28, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

Yes. Those that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. Do a study on Jesus's teaching on holiness. Then do a study on how the apostles did not love their own lives but they followed the Lord until the point of death. Not once did Jesus or His followers ever condone sin or say that we can sin with the thinking we are saved. For if a Believer sins, They are to confess of that sin so as to be forgiven of it (See 1 John 1:9).

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

No fruits of the Spirit shows the Lord does not abide in a person, no Christ abiding in them equals no salvation....

Matthew 7:15-21

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

John 15:1-7

15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. 2Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.3You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.6If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

lol. Keep it up Ken, your making matters worse.

God abides in his children, it is his gift to them. A gift can not be earned, and has no conditions.

Your placing conditions on Gods love and gifts. Thus you are tieing gods hands behind his back. making him unable to keep his own promise.

Sophia · Mar 28, 2015

Grace is dependent upon Faith, or upon works?
Is Faith a temporary and fleeting substance?

Where does it say in the Word that by Freewill we are saved, through Faith, which is of ourselves...
Where does it say that the state of Salvation is fleeting and temporary: merely the state between confession and the next error.

Do you not know that unbelievers are condemned by even a passing thought?
Do you not realize the immensity of the holiness of God, which is required of unbelievers for salvation?

There IS NO EXCUSE for sin, especially for a Believer,
but there is also no condemnation for the Redeemed of the Lord.

Sophia · Mar 28, 2015

If salvation is lost during the time between a committed sin and confession,
then even upon confession, salvation cannot be regained. Christ died ONCE, and will not be crucified again. In this, salvation is ONCE, and a person cannot be resaved. A person either is or isn't part of Christ. We are not in a "limbo" bouncing between destinies for our soul.

gb9 · Mar 28, 2015

the problem with some folks is simple: if you do not 100% agree with them, or repeat back to them their beliefs they cry false teaching, license to sin, do whatever you want, etc.. but no one on here is saying these things.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2015

gb9 said:

Have you read?

OSAS is a license to sin. it has been said many times in here.

gb9 · Mar 28, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

yes I have. and it is the same person, along with a few others, but mostly the same person who keeps saying it.

Sophia · Mar 28, 2015

If the requirement for salvation is our works, then you would be right, Jason.
But the requirement for salvation is not works.

Confession is ONCE for salvation, and then repeated as part of our calling.
Our fruit and obedience DISPLAY our connection to Christ, and DISPLAY the unbelievers that are within our midst;
but the Gardener maintains the plant, not the plant itself.
Salvation is not contingent upon human free will, but rather, our freedom is contingent upon our Being saved through Christ.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2015

Sophia said:

The author of hebrews in fact said this. "If they can fall away, they can not be renewed to repentnance, for they crucify for themselves again the son of God. "

yet amazingly, they will use this same passage to prove salvation can be lost. which just proves how futile there attemps to force an unloving and unforgiving God on everyone. that God would pull his salvation away.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2015

gb9 said:

yeah, A few others have also. Just not keep repeating it over and over.

Thos who teach against eternal security all believe this, even if they do not say it all the time. yet it is their main argument against eternal security in Christ.

Sophia · Mar 28, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

I won't go the full way and say that salvation cannot be lost,
but in the case that it does, it cannot be regained,
and the end result is a person who is not saved from hell: therefore was never predestined: therefore never actually saved.

I know that seems like an illogical-loop statement , but it's what I see.

dcontroversal · Mar 28, 2015

Jason0047 said:

You should read and acknowledge your own words Jason...and to be frank.....are you still in grade school? Why should I acknowledge the heresy you teach and or believe your (salvation lite) gospel which is contrary to the truth.....? Especially since you regularly contradict yourself and the bible........! And if you are so right...The bible teaches to leap for joy when you are persecuted for righteousness sake...not cry, whine and moan while throwing pity parties and having a woe is me the martyr attitude. SERIOUS!

MarcR · Mar 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

That is funny because OSAS was started by a men after the church had already existed for 3 centuries.
It was not taught by the Apostles in the bible, nor by their understudies as it was nowhere heard of in the early church in the first two centuries. Quotes from them show clearly it wasn't !!!

Wrong as scripture is not the only source of truth, as the bible says the Holy Spirit is our source of truth and He will lead us in all truth. So to say Holy Spirit men that are mentioned in the bible, and those who were taught and walked side by side with them are not Holy Spirit lead is just plain false teaching.
If they are mentioned in the bible as clear Apostles in the teaching of truth as Barnabas was, then you can not deny his quotes from his writings as they are Holy Spirit driven. I love it when people try to say clear recognized apostles in the bible writings do not matter just because those writings are not in the bible. This is a lie by those who teach false doctrine to keep people following their false private interpretation. Something the bible completely rebukes when it comes to scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the one who guides us in all truth, not the scriptures alone..........

Apostle Paul also said he could not continue to walk in that unclean lifestyle, and had to start walking by the Spirit.
And only after walking by the Spirit in the faith is there no condemnation to those who are in Christ. If one continues to walk in the flesh they are still condemned under the law, so is those who turn back to the flesh.....

Amen is usually one word; and if you are suggesting that it was started by consensus; I can accept that.

Ella85 · Mar 29, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Jason how do you show you are a loving person?
All you do on here is disagree with people and give your 2 cents about what you teach.
No where on this forum have you tried to be friendly or become friends with anyone on here.
Laugh, have a good time and enjoy the people on here.

Jason0047 · Mar 29, 2015

May the Lord's love shine upon you all.

May His peace and goodness fill everyone here.

Blessings,

With loving kindness to you in Christ.

Sincerely,

~Jason.

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Jason0047 · Mar 29, 2015

Dear Mailman Dan:

I still plan on answering what you had written to me.

Thank you for your kindness and patience.

In the meantime, please be well.
And may God bless you.

~ Jason. ☆☆☆

eternally-gratefull · Mar 29, 2015

Ella85 said:

its actually comical.

He rips someone apart, even as low as calling them evil. Then finishes with a God bless you. Or may you be blessed or whatever.

It makes him look nice. so he is not doing what he is saying others do. Just because he finishes with a bless you comment.

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