Oh goody another OSAS thread!

[PennEd]

Hey Chester! Good to see you! Every time I see your name, I think of this stanza from The Band:

Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog
Said, "I will fix your rag, if you'll take Jack, my dog"
I said, "Wait a minute Chester, you know, I'm a peaceful man"
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can"


<span style="font-family: Roboto">[video=youtube;FFqb1I-hiHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqb1I-hiHE[/video]

 

[CS1]

Hey Chester! Good to see you! Every time I see your name, I think of this stanza from The Band:

Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog
Said, "I will fix your rag, if you'll take Jack, my dog"
I said, "Wait a minute Chester, you know, I'm a peaceful man"
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can"

<span jsname="YS01Ge" style="font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;">[video=youtube;FFqb1I-hiHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqb1I-hiHE[/video]

lol hahaha
I think this is a rule violation sir . but it was funny

 

[PennEd]

lol hahaha
I think this is a rule violation sir . but it was funny

Really? I love Chester. I hope you don't think I was mocking him.

 

[tourist]

I am answering the original OP here: Why do I debate OSAS . . . ?

I believe that believing in OSAS has caused many to lose assurance of salvation or wrestle deeply with assurance. When assurance is based on a past event of putting faith in Christ, one may always be wondering, "Did I do that correctly?" And then if a person's works are not in order, than OSAS supporters may say - "You were never saved in the first place". I much prefer (and this is what I do) to base my security on the fact that today I am believing on and trusting in Jesus Christ for my salvation.

OSAS is the basis of the blessed assured hope of salvation and not a cause of fear of losing it. The past event of faith in Christ dying on the cross for the remission of sin is the foundation on which this assurance is based.. The ones that wonder if that was sufficient obviously do not believe that once salvation is obtained by the price that Jesus paid it is then theirs for eternity.

Today you base your security on the fact that today you are believing on and trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation, and rightly so. Unfortunately, tomorrow you may stop believing in this and are therefore, at that moment, facing eternal condemnation once again. Those that believe in OSAS believe the same way that you do are far as today is concerned but also rest assured that tomorrow they will still have this type of faith whereas you don't.

It is a sad thing to live in constant fear of losing salvation when it states clearly in scripture that Jesus will not lose a single one that His father has placed in His trust. I guess this is what Paul meant when saying that salvation will be worked out with fear and trembling.

The thing is, those that believe in OSAS have already worked this out and have received the blessed assured hope of salvation. Those that don't believe this will live in a constant state of fear and trembling until the day that they die.

 

[Chester]

Hey Chester! Good to see you! Every time I see your name, I think of this stanza from The Band:

Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog
Said, "I will fix your rag, if you'll take Jack, my dog"
I said, "Wait a minute Chester, you know, I'm a peaceful man"
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can"


<span style="font-family: Roboto">[video=youtube;FFqb1I-hiHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqb1I-hiHE[/video]

LOL! One of those guys even looks a little like me . . .

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I am answering the original OP here: Why do I debate OSAS . . . ?

I believe that believing in OSAS has caused many to lose assurance of salvation or wrestle deeply with assurance. When assurance is based on a past event of putting faith in Christ, one may always be wondering, "Did I do that correctly?" And then if a person's works are not in order, than OSAS supporters may say - "You were never saved in the first place". I much prefer (and this is what I do) to base my security on the fact that today I am believing on and trusting in Jesus Christ for my salvation.

as much as i disagree with your first bit..... im liking this for the bolded




God bless you

 

[Chester]

OSAS is the basis of the blessed assured hope of salvation and not a cause of fear of losing it. The past event of faith in Christ dying on the cross for the remission of sin is the foundation on which this assurance is based.. The ones that wonder if that was sufficient obviously do not believe that once salvation is obtained by the price that Jesus paid it is then theirs for eternity.

Today you base your security on the fact that today you are believing on and trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation, and rightly so. Unfortunately, tomorrow you may stop believing in this and are therefore, at that moment, facing eternal condemnation once again. Those that believe in OSAS believe the same way that you do are far as today is concerned but also rest assured that tomorrow they will still have this type of faith whereas you don't.

It is a sad thing to live in constant fear of losing salvation when it states clearly in scripture that Jesus will not lose a single one that His father has placed in His trust. I guess this is what Paul meant when saying that salvation will be worked out with fear and trembling.

The thing is, those that believe in OSAS have already worked this out and have received the blessed assured hope of salvation. Those that don't believe this will live in a constant state of fear and trembling until the day that they die.

Sorry, sir, I do respect your opinion - but I know too many that believe in OSAS who lack a deep assurance of faith in Christ. I love and enjoy my assurance of salvation way too much to lose it!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Sorry, sir, I do respect your opinion - but I know too many that believe in OSAS who lack a deep assurance of faith in Christ. I love and enjoy my assurance of salvation way too much to lose it!

i had no assurance until i learned of my eternal security

 

[Chester]

lol hahaha
I think this is a rule violation sir . but it was funny[/QUOTE

Ban him, ban him, ban him, ban him . . . LOL!

No, really, please don't - please, please, please don't - PennEd is a dear friend with the biggest heart on CC!

But I wonder - what is the rule violation? ?

 

[Chester]

lol hahaha
I think this is a rule violation sir . but it was funny[/QUOTE

Ban him, ban him, ban him, ban him . . . LOL!

No, really, please don't - please, please, please don't - PennEd is a dear friend with the biggest heart on CC!

But I wonder - what is the rule violation? ?

Whoops! I'll bet that was a rule violation too - asking publicly for someone to be banned!

I suppose I am a goner now! Wish I believed in OSAS then I know I would still get to heaven . . . Just kidding! LOL!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Whoops! I'll bet that was a rule violation too - asking publicly for someone to be banned!

I suppose I am a goner now! Wish I believed in OSAS then I know I would still get to heaven . . . Just kidding! LOL!

ohhhhh im sure you'll come around eventually

 

[Magenta]

But I wonder - what is the rule violation? ?

I wondered the same thing

That song is such a classic

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No sister. I am genuinely confused as to what exactly the definition some people have of hypergrace. People have taken elements that I absolutely agree with, such as eternal security, and ALL sin forgiven, and lumped that in with the prosperity gospel, which I absolutely do not agree with.

That's why it IS important to define.

ok

but you have been here way longer than I have and you say you have not seen it defned?

maybe do a search right here on CC

am I the only one who respects the fact we are not supposed to discuss the terms of hg?

starting to wonder

I didn't make the rules but I have read them

so it's enough to google it...you know? as in 'what is.....whatever you want...'

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Why are you not reading my posts that link to and explain Freegrace/Hypergrace doctrine? The link plainly explains how it is that Freegrace doctrine believes that the believer can go back to unbelief and they are still saved. Surely you've heard of Charles Stanley, right?

The amazing part is, Calvinist, and Calvinist leaning once saved always saved 'P' believers don't defend against it even though it is so completely and utterly in opposition to their own belief that the person who goes back to unbelief was never saved to begin with. That's especially amazing because even by their own admission Calvinists are some of the angriest and most dogmatic and closed off people in the church.

it's really not that simple

I think you are confusing OSAS with HG

in fact, you are

sorry

 

[joefizz]

Been here 5 yrs and the ONLY people I have EVER heard say that sin doesn't matter, that we can live any way we want, or get drunk every day, is those who do not believe they are yet children of God, and therefore do NOT believe they are ETERNALLY secure in Jesus Christ.

THIS verse always comes to mind when I see it done:

Romans 3:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!


I'd urge all who accuse the brethren that they preach we can sin all we want, to pray on this verse.

Well technically Tommy did make a backsliders thread so I guess there is like maybe 1% on our side of things lol!

 

[joefizz]

OSAS is the basis of the blessed assured hope of salvation and not a cause of fear of losing it. The past event of faith in Christ dying on the cross for the remission of sin is the foundation on which this assurance is based.. The ones that wonder if that was sufficient obviously do not believe that once salvation is obtained by the price that Jesus paid it is then theirs for eternity.

Today you base your security on the fact that today you are believing on and trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation, and rightly so. Unfortunately, tomorrow you may stop believing in this and are therefore, at that moment, facing eternal condemnation once again. Those that believe in OSAS believe the same way that you do are far as today is concerned but also rest assured that tomorrow they will still have this type of faith whereas you don't.

It is a sad thing to live in constant fear of losing salvation when it states clearly in scripture that Jesus will not lose a single one that His father has placed in His trust. I guess this is what Paul meant when saying that salvation will be worked out with fear and trembling.

The thing is, those that believe in OSAS have already worked this out and have received the blessed assured hope of salvation. Those that don't believe this will live in a constant state of fear and trembling until the day that they die.

Yes for though we may at times flinch at some distressing things like pestilence or disaster we can be sure that with Christ as our solid foundation and the Holy spirit as our comforter and our path charter and God as the only one to fear truly that we need not tremble so for we know Jesus Christ not only as a Saviour and Lord but as our "friend" whom we can "trust".
Fearing God is the "beginning" of wisdom not the "main focus" even in the time of the Israelites God was never some bully or dictator,he always "had a reason" for chastening or even in those days justifiable deaths,it is foolish to believe God to "have changed" but even worse to believe Jesus to be so cruel as to offer salvation and then "take it back" though he promised it,neither have given "false promises" it is folly to live in fear and doubt them for Jesus's "purpose" for being here wasn't to slay,nor condemn,it was to teach,heal,and save people from sin,and give salvation "freely",for when did Jesus tell anyone that he would take away one's salvation for something as trivial as lack of works once accepting him?
Also to all in this thread in general I ask...
"since when has God or Jesus become a respector of persons"?

 

[PennEd]

ok

but you have been here way longer than I have and you say you have not seen it defned?

maybe do a search right here on CC

am I the only one who respects the fact we are not supposed to discuss the terms of hg?

starting to wonder

I didn't make the rules but I have read them

so it's enough to google it...you know? as in 'what is.....whatever you want...'

Well... If there were a hard and fast definition, that people didn't add stuff to, then there would be no need to ask, for sure.

 

[joefizz]

Yes for though we may at times flinch at some distressing things like pestilence or disaster we can be sure that with Christ as our solid foundation and the Holy spirit as our comforter and our path charter and God as the only one to fear truly that we need not tremble so for we know Jesus Christ not only as a Saviour and Lord but as our "friend" whom we can "trust".
Fearing God is the "beginning" of wisdom not the "main focus" even in the time of the Israelites God was never some bully or dictator,he always "had a reason" for chastening or even in those days justifiable deaths,it is foolish to believe God to "have changed" but even worse to believe Jesus to be so cruel as to offer salvation and then "take it back" though he promised it,neither have given "false promises" it is folly to live in fear and doubt them for Jesus's "purpose" for being here wasn't to slay,nor condemn,it was to teach,heal,and save people from sin,and give salvation "freely",for when did Jesus tell anyone that he would take away one's salvation for something as trivial as lack of works once accepting him?
Also to all in this thread in general I ask...
"since when has God or Jesus become a respector of persons"?

In case my question went over heads I'll clarify further,with an example of God not being a respector of persons,Moses who served God and God even spoke to him as face to face as possible,and he even did well as a leader for the Israelites yet he was denied entry into the promised land for trespassing against God,it doesn't matter how diligent one strives to serve God one will always fall short at some point but with Jesus we can be "closer" to doing right without so much emphasis on "what we can offer" for what can we offer that is more than or even equal to
Jesus,Salvation,The Holy spirit,or the Lord's kingdom?
There is nothing,Samuel indeed told Saul,"obedience is better than sacrifice and hearkening better than the fat of rams",but who can match Jesus's sacrifice or his works?,true Jesus said to his disciples regarding miracles,"ye shall do greater than these" regarding what miracles he had done but can one forget that it is only through Jesus that such things are possible?

 

[dcontroversal]

And I will study my Bible until then!!!!!!!!

I am being naughty now

Good, we all should...but will note....Salvation is the milk and Paul expected the Corinthian assembly to be fully mature and way beyond the milk after about 3 years.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Those who say OSAS believe they can sin all they want are flat lying....end of story....and we fully understand God whipping ALL SONS he receives and the chastening that comes from sin.