Ok to be lesbian?
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)Then why would Paul even include it in connotation that it is sinful and an abomination if it in fact is not a sin? I think we have enough collaborating proof in these 9 pages all ready that clearly support that stance that lesbianism is in fact a sin. Merely you just do not like the answers given because Paul wrote it and it is not found in Leviticus (mind you God did not write Leviticus just as He did not write Romans. Leviticus was written by Moses and/or the ancient Levite priests, hence the title Leviticus. Both however are inspired by God.)
I'm still interested in how you might answer my two questions that you did not answer:
1. How is two women sexually abusing one another not a sin?
2. Where in the Bible does it condone two women sexually abusing eachother?
I'm still interested in how you might answer my two questions that you did not answer:
1. How is two women sexually abusing one another not a sin?
2. Where in the Bible does it condone two women sexually abusing eachother?
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My point is is that God didn't specify that creating a nuclear bomb was a sin, therefore according to your logic it isn't a sin to create a nuclear bomb even though it can kill people.
To correlate, you are saying that God didnt specify wommen cant do homosexual acts but he specified against men therefore its okay for women to be homosexuals.
Do you see the flaw in your logic? It's the same as assuming a nuclear bomb is okay because even though it kills people and you shouldnt kill anyone according to the Bible, it isn't specified by God so its okay.
To correlate, you are saying that God didnt specify wommen cant do homosexual acts but he specified against men therefore its okay for women to be homosexuals.
Do you see the flaw in your logic? It's the same as assuming a nuclear bomb is okay because even though it kills people and you shouldnt kill anyone according to the Bible, it isn't specified by God so its okay.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]
The actual quote does not say homosexual. That was a translation. I still debunked it by saying the original Latin meaning means "man" and "sexual".
New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]
The actual quote does not say homosexual. That was a translation. I still debunked it by saying the original Latin meaning means "man" and "sexual".
You can always find a BIble translation to fit your perspective. Look, I will do the exact same thing:
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
[SUP]9-10 [/SUP]Don’t you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals—will have no share in his Kingdom. Neither will thieves or greedy people, drunkards, slanderers, or robbers.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
[SUP]9-10 [/SUP]Don’t you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals—will have no share in his Kingdom. Neither will thieves or greedy people, drunkards, slanderers, or robbers.
Even Christians who have studied bible for years don't seem to have a clue about what sex is. God gave us the sexual drive and it is one of the most powerful drives we have, we need to understand it.
After creation, making Adam into two people, male and female, was one of the very first acts of our Creator. Their union was to be a joining of two becoming one again. God is spirit, God speaks to us of the spirit even as he uses our physical to explain it. So when scripture says the two shall become one, it takes a person who is alive with the Holy Spirit to understand the full meaning of that.
All through the Old Testament we learn about trying to join things together that God didn't design to be together. It was so strict that different fibers weren't to be mixed as a symbol of this. When Christ returns to judge us, mixing what is not meant to be mixed will be one of the judgments. To sexually mix female to female and male to male is not only a sin, it is against one of the pillars our world is based on.
After creation, making Adam into two people, male and female, was one of the very first acts of our Creator. Their union was to be a joining of two becoming one again. God is spirit, God speaks to us of the spirit even as he uses our physical to explain it. So when scripture says the two shall become one, it takes a person who is alive with the Holy Spirit to understand the full meaning of that.
All through the Old Testament we learn about trying to join things together that God didn't design to be together. It was so strict that different fibers weren't to be mixed as a symbol of this. When Christ returns to judge us, mixing what is not meant to be mixed will be one of the judgments. To sexually mix female to female and male to male is not only a sin, it is against one of the pillars our world is based on.
I want to say "Stop focusing on sin and focus on Jesus" here, but that may come off strong. Realize that the sins of the world have been dealt with at the cross. That means that the only sin left is the one the Holy Spirit convicts the world of. That is, disbelief in Jesus Christ (the Son of God). So, regardless of whether or not lesbianism is sinful in and of itself, the principle still stands that all sin has been dealt with at the cross. Our righteousness is not of ourselves, but in Christ. You don't come to God clean, or as some put it "You don't clean yourself before you take a bath." It is Jesus' blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, and therefore, not a matter of works, but grace. A lesbian can become a Christian just as much as a liar, thief, drunk, or prostitute can. When they accept Christ, they may or may not stop doing such acts immediately, but if they do not, it doesn't mean they are not saved, for their salvation isnt based upon them, but Christ. That's the radical truth. The fruit is the result of salvation, not the root of salvation.
Unlike what Paul said, which was a quote, the list of sexual immoralities in Leviticus are being said in the sense of being directly from GOD.
18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled;so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”
If Moses said this, then that would be Blasphemy. We can assume it's God's word.
18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled;so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”
If Moses said this, then that would be Blasphemy. We can assume it's God's word.
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So you're saying that if someone believes in Jesus but keeps murdering people everyday, that he still can go to heaven? Then why does repentance even exist? I think you misunderstand what Jesus' blood does. Instead of people being stoned to death, etc. they can repent for their sins. It doesn't meant regardless of what you do now you can go into heaven. Thats just using Jesus as an excuse to keep sinning :/
DavidLOVESsnow, it is a misunderstanding of God's grace to think it empowers people to sin. The Word of God says, "Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law, but grace." The accusation that grace leads to lasciviousness (or a license to sin) is completely missing the point that it is grace that teaches us and empowers us to not live in such a manner. [h=3]Titus 2:11-14[/h]King James Version (KJV)
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Look im going to stop debating you. Your main logical argument is basically that its a sin for men to do it, but not women which makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't matter how many Bible quotes we give you, or how many logical arguments we send you to prove your logic is flawed, you refuse to listen. I applaud your abillity to stick to your perspective, but it also comes with down sides.
Seriously Kawaii, your argument doesn't make sense. Like I've said before, there are no Bible quotes pro-homosexuality for men or for women.
There are indeed Bible quotes of women being lesbians and Paul condemming them for their actions as well as men doing the same thing.
And regardless of the quotes you will find a way to say that they do not count in some way on another and discredit them when God himself said he would preserve his word.
So it seems like you choose to not listen to what people say or what the Bible says unless it helps your own perspective. I honestly believe unless God himself comes and tells you that it's wrong you will not listen to anyone. And with that I bid farwell to this argument because it is going nowhere.