Ok to be lesbian?

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DavidLOVESsnow

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Kawaii said:
The Bible is notorious for being sexist. A lot of this works in the favor of men and against women. I imagine, if anything similar were to occur, it would most certainly occur in a list of sexual sins of all things.
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I highly disagree. "Love thy neighbour as thyself" it never said "Love thy neighbour who as male as thyself"

Basically, treat people how you want to be treated. I can post about 10 Bible verses on how men should treat their wives which shows they are equal. The only difference being is that men are supposed to be more physically superior which is genetics.
 
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but that by itself does not make it a sin.
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It doesn't make it not a sin either. What it does mean is it isn't what God intended. Did God want the Fallen Angels to have sex with humans? No, did he make laws for that in the Bible beforehand? No.. was it still a sin? Yes.
 
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Let's use a little rationale and logic here to end this debate.

All sins are contrary to life and love and God.

How is two women sexually abusing one another not a sin? Where in the Bible does it condone two women sexually abusing eachother?
 
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Last piece of logic im going to throw out here. Can you find anywhere in the Bible where lesbianism is positive? Like any Bible quote that says it is okay? I've seen you discredit the definition of sodomy, discredit Bible quotes, but have you yet to quote a part in the Bible where lesbianism is Good? Did God ever say to commit lesbian acts?
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GOD never mentioned it at all. Not even in the list of sexual immoralities. It's probably just an irrelevant grey area. I see no reason why GOD would want to go out of GOD's way and say "Be lesbian, it is good!" or relay a positive story about lesbian lovers. It's possible it's simply not relevant, and not a sin either.

There are plenty of good acts not mentioned in the Bible as well. Does that make them sins?
 
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Let's use a little rationale and logic here to end this debate.

All sins are contrary to life and love and God.

How is two women sexually abusing one another not a sin? Where in the Bible does it condone two women sexually abusing eachother?
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I love how you use the term abuse. Give me one reason using your logic that married couples having sexual intercourse are not abusing each other.
 
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GOD never mentioned it at all. Not even in the list of sexual immoralities. It's probably just an irrelevant grey area. I see no reason why GOD would want to go out of GOD's way and say "Be lesbian, it is good!" or relay a positive story about lesbian lovers. It's possible it's simply not relevant, and not a sin either.

There are plenty of good acts not mentioned in the Bible as well. Does that make them sins?
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No but I would refer to the position I made with the Fallen Angels above.

As for Good acts, there were many good acts labelled in the Bible, such as giving someone your clothing, walking a mile with them, if you're asked to help someone in anyway go beyond the asking. There was giving to the Church, there was fasting for God, etc. etc.

If you cant show a Bible verse (when there are many even a whole book about how sex is a glorious thing) where lesbianism is a good thing, then how can you keep your argument?
 
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It doesn't make it not a sin either. What it does mean is it isn't what God intended. Did God want the Fallen Angels to have sex with humans? No, did he make laws for that in the Bible beforehand? No.. was it still a sin? Yes.
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But it was mentioned. The Bible is intended for humans anyways, so laws for angels would not be found in it.
 
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I love how you use the term abuse. Give me one reason using your logic that married couples having sexual intercourse are not abusing each other.
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Quite simple, a man and a woman have two parts naturally complimentary of eachother which when combined in love is both pleasurable and an expression of true love and also by nature allows them to be part of the creative process in creating new life.

EDIT: my bad that's 2 reasons, but you get the idea lol.

EDIT2: also I noticed you were unable to answer my 2 questions
 
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But it was mentioned. The Bible is intended for humans anyways, so laws for angels would not be found in it.
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See this is where you are mistaken. My main point as others have pointed out, and that you don't wish to accept as that God did not intend for women to have sex with other women, or men to have sex with other men. If he did, they would be able to reproduce together or there would be something that would correlate with God's commandment to "multiply".

Also, if lesbianism was okay, why didn't God just make two women or two men instead of making a women -and a man- in the first place?
 
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No but I would refer to the position I made with the Fallen Angels above.

As for Good acts, there were many good acts labelled in the Bible, such as giving someone your clothing, walking a mile with them, if you're asked to help someone in anyway go beyond the asking. There was giving to the Church, there was fasting for God, etc. etc.

If you cant show a Bible verse (when there are many even a whole book about how sex is a glorious thing) where lesbianism is a good thing, then how can you keep your argument?
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Because there is nothing saying it's a sin. There are lots of good things mentioned in the Bible, but also lots of good things not mentioned in the Bible. Moreover, kindness is extremely relevant to what god is trying to teach. What of the good things not mentioned in the Bible?
 
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Sensuality: unrestrained indulgence of sexual pleasure, sexual gratification of the body, devoted to sensual pleasures.

"So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness." - Ephesians 4:17-19 NASB
 
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Because there is nothing saying it's a sin. There are lots of good things mentioned in the Bible, but also lots of good things not mentioned in the Bible. Moreover, kindness is extremely relevant to what god is trying to teach. What of the good things not mentioned in the Bible?
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What im saying is, if lesbianism was okay, then why would Paul say bad things about it yet there is no Good things written about it? Or why would homosexuality in general be labelled bad in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and yet no positive things, if it was good? If there is only bad quotes pertaining to homosexuality, and no good quotes, then it is obvious it is a negative thing.
 
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why didn't God just make two women or two men instead of making a women -and a man- in the first place?
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Because then Adam and Eve wouldn't have happened.

There is one male and one female, and if it was any other way, then there would have been more than them or they would be replaced. That isn't an adequate argument to say being lesbian is a sin that is capable of damning you to hell.
 
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I have reason to believe that being lesbian is not a sin.................................What do you think?
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I think you know very little about serving God. You asked.

DavidLOVESsnow said:
................Then you realize that masturbation falls under the category of sodomy, same with homosexual acts, and the like.
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Altho technically you are correct, it is somewhat misleading. Sodomy is usually the word used for anal sex between men. Fornication is the word you want. Fornication is sexual impurity, that is to say, any sexual act outside of what God has endorsed.

Now back to the OP. Fornication is a sin. Any sexual act involving something other than a husband and wife is fornication. It doesn't get any clearer than that. Try studying your bible instead of looking for loopholes in the Word of God.
 
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Continuation...


Galatians 5:19-25 NASB


"Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit."
 
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Because then Adam and Eve wouldn't have happened.

There is one male and one female, and if it was any other way, then there would have been more than them or they would be replaced. That isn't an adequate argument to say being lesbian is a sin that is capable of damning you to hell.
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The Bible itself says it sends you to hell but you refuted that (I forget your reasoning).

My point was God never asked anyone to commit homosexuality, yet he was asking them to commit intercourse. He asked people to do good deeds and help people, but not to commit beastiality, steal, commit adultery, etc.

God never asked anyone to do homosexuality, neither is there any positive Bible quote on it.
 
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DavidLOVESsnow said:
What im saying is, if lesbianism was okay, then why would Paul say bad things about it yet there is no Good things written about it? Or why would homosexuality in general be labelled bad in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and yet no positive things, if it was good? If there is only bad quotes pertaining to homosexuality, and no good quotes, then it is obvious it is a negative thing.
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That only applies to men doing it with men, which was specifically addressed in the list of sexual immoralities. As for Paul's comment, it is quite possible he was simply saying "even the women were doing it with women" as an observer. They were punished for a lot of things, men doing it with men was among them. It's possible that lesbianism wasn't even a sin, but came off as being lumped in with them by mistake.
 
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DavidLOVESsnow said:
The Bible itself says it sends you to hell but you refuted that (I forget your reasoning).

My point was God never asked anyone to commit homosexuality, yet he was asking them to commit intercourse. He asked people to do good deeds and help people, but not to commit beastiality, steal, commit adultery, etc.

God never asked anyone to do homosexuality, neither is there any positive Bible quote on it.
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But unlike for lesbianism, GOD wen't out of his way to declare it wasn't okay in the list of sexual immoralities.
 
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That only applies to men doing it with men, which was specifically addressed in the list of sexual immoralities. As for Paul's comment, it is quite possible he was simply saying "even the women were doing it with women" as an observer. They were punished for a lot of things, men doing it with men was among them. It's possible that lesbianism wasn't even a sin, but came off as being lumped in with them by mistake.
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Thats like me saying it is possible that Sodom and Gomorrah was really two different towns but they got the names mixed up. Regardless, you missed the point.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says homosexuality, not men on men, nor women on women. And as stated before, homo sexuality in its original translation has nothing to do with gender, therefore meaning lesbians as well.

As I've said before, you have no positive quotes re-inforcing your view point, but there are many quotes against your view point.
 
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