Ok to be lesbian?

[vic1980]

Romans 1 is a good read for the original post.


PROVERBS 2:7-13 KJV

6.For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

THIS IS A GREAT READ

7He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
8He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
9Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.
10When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
11Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
12To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
13Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
14Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
15Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:


God Bless

 

[phillip1980]

Lesbianism is just lust.

 

[jandian]

God's idea for sex is between a man and a woman....
Our anatomy declares it.

 

[danschance]

Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence and yes they have lust issues as all homosexuals do.

 

[ji]

What in the world are you ranting about? I haven't avoided any questions. If I did how could I be "debate crazy"?

i also took a nap because I was tired. Going on 2 hours sleep in 24 hours due to taking care of my sick child entitles me to a nap when I can get one.

am not ranting about anything,care to answer why you go back and forth on your own words?
you think i was not supposed to do it,when you don't believe in casting out evil spirits/demons etc according to one of your own comments and then talk supporting it in another one...
This is not fun time or some topic to sip tea and have a chat about.If you are serious then Pray for that person so that person might come to Christ than spend here time confusing, and maybe even influence other people...
am sorry if i hurt you in anyway,and my intention was not ridicule,....but just trying to say that your posts contradict..

Please be careful when you post things,i suggest you read your comments before posting..should i list them out?by 'nap' i meant spiritual slumber and not about taking rest...
possessed people should be cast out of evil entities be it if the name is not in the bible,then also...
Does all the fallen angels have any emphasis in Holy Scripture?i understood this name by a studying real history of this world some time back...this is no play thing...this is serious matter..
And in no ways i was trying to hurt you personally,apologies if you feel so...
i apologize for that again if you felt so...

 

[ji]

You can spin it all you want. You got in the flesh and it showed

Do you know anything other than accuse???

Tell me point by point how a person should handle such a situation?

Please am curious to learn if you know something new,but don't come up with some silly excuse..
If you notice,even after the person has left we are continuing accusing each other and fighting sometimes contradicting what we ourselves say..
you wanted the topic to go on for enjoying a good debate(which is SIN before God like taking it to a 1000 comments creating all kinds of arguments and confusion) when that person needs deliverance?

you are aged 45 according to your profile,tell me from your experience how you handle it usually?do you exercise your faith?

 

[ji]

Those of you arguing and fighting still,take a look at our comments and how we are contradicting we ourselves say without logic...

Come to the point:-

* what's wrong with what i did?
* Take a look at our posts and including me started arguing in a silly way with our own comments contradicting in later comments we ourselves posted...
* i admit i yelled and shouted at that person,and its because i got terrified primarily(i was defensive not doing it like some kind of exorcism..) and wanted that person also to realize he/she is possessed...i wish that person to be saved to Christ,don't make it a rule for that to happen here,...that person must come to Christ is the desired result.
* i didn't make a mess or start a show but did what Holy Scripture tells,and this is not the first time i did it..
There is no rule like you should talk casually and shaking hands,say in a low voice that no one should hear - "dude,devil..hey come out man,,...the boss is here"....seriously think...!!!

Holy Scripture says to cast it out!!yelling or shouting depends on the person...there is no rule,so don't make a new one now..
No don't come up with some lame excuse.Explain why you think i did wrong based on strong Scriptural reference.
...and i was not doing it like in Church or Convention Service,but was doing primarily as defense...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN THAT!!!
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CHRISTIAN WHO WILL STAND AND SAY THEY CAN WIN DEVIL BY HIMSELF/HERSELF...DOES ANYONE OF YOU HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE WHO IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT??WITHOUT CHRIST WE ARE NOTHING BEFORE THE DEVIL..
ITS THE BLOOD OF JESUS THAT MAKES satan FLEE,NOT our might...
and being in internet doesn't mean satan does not attack or get attacked,yes it can..because this is a spiritual realm,..no joke!!
and i apologize for any kind of rude behavior from my side,because i felt hurt... i did the best thing to make that person realize,and i Hope and Pray(already Prayed a lot,still Praying) that he/she will be brought to Christ's Salvation,..Please Pray for that person's Salvation in Christ.None of you wanted to reply anything regard to that when i repeatedly posted that..
Don't try to talk for the sake of argument but to learn and edify more..just suggesting..
Please no lame excuses...or harsh abuses,i already apologize for my rude talk..
if you have anything,please talk to what is related,lets not fight...lets not say to each other "shut mouth,get out"etc,etc...

 

[homwardbound]

Some one has too,if its not me...i was crying for that person and my own protection that night..couldn't bear the thought of that person going to hell,even if am not sure how am going to be in long run.
But i know God gave me another chance to live and realize How much He Loves me...
i don't feel eligible to do it,but the gratitude for the Mercies God shows,i wanted to reflect..

Funny thing is am afraid to reveal in public,because of fear of falling more..but i guess God has His way of saying "look the devil!!!" and i cry out loud and go to Him"oh!my God"..that's the only thing i did, for protection,i didn't know it would come out so loud..

Nothing good in me,its all the Grace of God...Pray for that person that somehow that person come to Love of Christ,give some time in Prayer for her Salvation in Jesus(in your prayer time to God).

Agreed and it is done, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

Yes,that person must come to Jesus.
Please Pray for that person,i repeatedly say it..

The prayer is done and God will not fail

 

[homwardbound]

Dan, the young man was stretching and making a show, you know and I know it, peace be with you bro, but please call the spade a spade..since the young man explained what he was trying to do and intercess for her, he did not need to open his mouth and remove all doubt he was acting foolish and unwise.

Deliverance ministers that cast demons over the phone are phoney
Deliverance ministers that cast demons out over the internet are interesting but are not Biblical.

I have said this to you before and I will say it again, guard yourself Dan, because much of what you talk about is not deliverance, or being controlled by the Holy ghost, but by familial spirits that love toying with believers, who have been "delivered themselves".

I say this in love to you, because I know your testimony, but things you say, don't add up Biblically some times and your education comes from resources written by exposed frauds in deliverance ministry. These frauds later even recanted and repented on their death beds, that most if not all they taught was for monetary gain. Many of the resources are plagiarized works taken without permission of the original writer who also was self exposed as a major fraud in the charismatic movement.

Encouraging a babe to continue casting demons over the internet is not biblical and foolish. God called you to delivernace to be wise not foolish, and the young man was foolish.

Guard yourself Dan, because the familiars transform themselves as angels of light and sometimes buddy, you seem to be seeing things not as they are and the strongman of lying spirit has completely deceived you.

Casting out devils over the internet is one such deception.

casting out the devil is what Christ did, when he rose he took the keys to heaven and hell away from the Devil. Devil thought devil had won when Christ died to flesh for us not seeing the resurrected Christ for us in Spirit and truth.
So here we all are here today after the cross, the victory that is won by the resurrected Christ, thanks to Father for raising him and putting all things under Christ's feet for now.
Time to beleive God and see the Devil as Judged, committed, put away, weapons are obsolete. Thew only thing the Devil has left is fear: but God has taken care of that as well for:

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

All that is left is for us to see self, our own flesh that need to be reckoned dead and alive by God to God through the cross of Christ daily
For no flesh in God's sight pleases God period, outside of Christ's only

 

[ji]

The prayer is done and God will not fail

...at last some one with wisdom to what is needed...

 

[homwardbound]

I have cast demons out of others with not only discernment but by God's will. You assume everything you speak is truth but is is not. So far all you have posted on is your opinions. You claim it is unbliblical to cast a demon out via the internet or phone and you have not posted a single scripture. You just sit back and pontificate from your armchair and you can't back it up with anything but your own feeble opinion. That is shear hubris.

Dan, Brother do you need to prove anything, God leads right?

 

[The_highwayman]

Do you know anything other than accuse???

Tell me point by point how a person should handle such a situation?

Please am curious to learn if you know something new,but don't come up with some silly excuse..
If you notice,even after the person has left we are continuing accusing each other and fighting sometimes contradicting what we ourselves say..
you wanted the topic to go on for enjoying a good debate(which is SIN before God like taking it to a 1000 comments creating all kinds of arguments and confusion) when that person needs deliverance?

you are aged 45 according to your profile,tell me from your experience how you handle it usually?do you exercise your faith?

What you are taking as accusation is correction. If you cannot discern that, then we have no need to go further.

I have not sinned, I have pointed out you needed to simply say a prayer and keep your mouth shut instead of proclaiming something over the internet.

I further showed you that if you are walking in perfect love then there should be no fear in when you encounter true evil. I guess that one went right over your head.

My point to you is this, the person that started this thread was likely just stirring up people and you over reacted. Had this been real and in the physical it would have been different, but you folks that perform deliverance's over the internet and phone
are no better than the trolls fishing for attention and attempting to engage people for silly debates.

How could a person tell over the internet if such a person was literally possessed!?!? I mean really come on now, for all we know the girl that started this thread is 15 year old boy having fun and watching people like you get foolish.

 

[homwardbound]

internet is satan's playground,...its a spiritual realm,those who are not aware of it,...it begins with 666(www)...

our warfare is no carnal it is Spiritual, as a man thinks so is he. Stinking thinking might be the problem and we are asked from God after we beleive to renew our minds right?
To see from who's perspective God's or man's?
Through Son Jesus Christ, how does Father now see you, when Father views you through Son?
A scoundrel, I need to work on you, or you need to get it perfectly right before I (God) save you?
Or as perfect by and through Son alone? 1 Col 1:22

 

[homwardbound]

Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence and yes they have lust issues as all homosexuals do.

Do not please forget to include hetero-sexual too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lust is rampant, not just in sex yet through it, puberty is what it is. So to be hetero-sexual only, does not stop a man or a woman from lusting after another inj their own minds whether admitted to or not
Been guilty and pray not to be ever again trusting God to teach me this and is, loving God for this. trusting God no matter what, learning that even if I have overcome to remain humble over it, For if I get proud and or boastful, I set me up for a downfall to be humbled and a messenger of Satan comes along to buffet, me, you and anyone else that thinks they know
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

 

[fredjames]

lol.you're kidding...

i don't have much to say,if you took it as condemning,...i didn't mean it...
nobody is big or little,if anyone is possessed,casting out is the way,..(not counselling-that's how little ones do)...
i didn't say i have special talent,all i did is mentioned in Holy Scripture,never said a word additional...

you can quotes words i said and correct me,let's keep the conversation minimal...

Peace with you, i am not representing my gifts but the Living Word of the New Covenant and they are spirit and life in a person witnessing in faith, called in obedience whether one have done right or wrong witnessing to all believers who are also rooted in the words of the MESSIAH.
You acknowledge, i have correct you but you do not see the Holy Scripture, the every Word of the Living GOD is correcting you and others and me of 'Lawlessness' in order for all of us to repent before judgement day.

We only think about our'selves' but we never think about the lambs and sheep of the Living GOD who are witnessing Grace and Truth of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

'i want to stop, for some one who CHRIST dearly love has witness our foolishness and posted his grief.'

 

[The_highwayman]

Dan, Brother do you need to prove anything, God leads right?

Homeward,
This is my point to Dan...if he is all that let God let it show, he does not need to tell. We had a "deliverance" minister visit a church I was at and all he did before service was talk, talk, talk and saying much what Dan says. The guy was all talk and was escorted out during the altar call.

This has been my experience with all people who always feel compelled to talk about all their activities and tell everyone who will listen about the demon in the trash can, coffee cup and countless number of people they casted demons out of and wear you out with Rambo like claims to be deliverance ministers and spiritual warfare experts in the kingdom

God validates and proves out everyone one of his children, including those in ministry. God will especially validate and approve those in deliverance/spiritual warfare ministry or certain 5 fold ministry offices.

God does not need you to announce to the body who you are, what you are called to do, how you are anointed and what your gifts are.

One of the direct signs we should take inventory of and shows a need to grow up spiritually is when we see we are talking to much and especially talking about ourselves, etc.

IOW and plainly put, If you are a true deliverance minister, telling me all about your past activities and how rmabo you are does not move me, and quite honestly tells me to avoid you. If I see you operate in gifting that every deliverance minister should operate in, and I see you being used to deliver someone and it line sup with the word of God, you have my interest, but not my complete trust yet.

I may seem harsh on an internet chat baord, but every tom, dick and harry in the real and cyber that seem to boast about crashing down the gates of hell by way of deliverance and spiritual warfare ministries are no better than the millions of posers on the internet that claim they were a Navy SEAL, Green Beret or a Marine Scout Sniper.

Talk is cheap, God is real....and he shows us the real deals, even on a chat board.

You should let you calling

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you dear kawali, you may be out of unmerited favor of GOD be gifted and able to quote from Scripture to highlight wrong that may seem right by using Scripture taken and learned taken out of context. That is the same tactics the father of lies used to deceive Eve.

In the beginning among all that GOD created within the sixth day, HE created only man and women at last on that same day with instruction given to them and upon being pleased HE then proclaimed all of them that HE has created on and for this earth, to be 'very good'.

Who then created lesbians?

Please read the whole Romans chapter 1. They are the elemental spirits of this world and came from this world and is worldly and they manifest in flesh and blood abnormal to what was initially created normal by GOD and have proclaimed all of them to be good. Since mankind are drawn to these things of sensuality rather than to the word or guilt of their conscience that either accuse or excuse them and when they continue in ignorance, GOD allowed them to have a futile mind that cannot think straight, right, pure and holy.

lesbian or homosexual is a worldly term used for people who are abnormal in their gender. Biological Science determines that there is a lack and malfunction of a normal functioning body production of either male of female hormons sufficiently. To a born again believer from above determines that there is an evil spirit that has housed in such person and hinders normal functions of that human body.
This is not sin but an 'unclean' spirit's manifestation housed in a person that GOD's Spiritual knowledge have discovered and highlighted them.

The very practice of continuing in such behavior and having unnatural intercourse with the ones in the same gender, is the very 'sin' that is disgusting and displeasing to the eyes of the Creator.

Repent from all of them and be baptized not only by water but also by the HOLY SPIRIT, in order to be freed and ready to serve from above here on earth.

Peace be with you beloved truth founded lambs and sheep of the Living GOD through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT of the HOLY BIBLE,
i apologize in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST 'in arguing about words' to those who are contenting to falsely justify apart from the HOLY BIBLE.
i just in humble and humility want you to know that the HOLY SPIRIT has revealed, as written above, to justify once and for all about lesbian practices that is continuing to be 'okay' and accepted, as GOD oppose and as in revelation, in the wisdom of Grace and Truth teachings, servants bringing out the New and the Old Covenant out of the treasury of the Kingdom of GOD.

 

[Timeline]

From what I've seen a lot of religions throughout Christianity have been accepting homosexuality. Anyone who reads the bible seriously knows that it is not okay. But we went wrong way before that. Any sexual immorality is wrong. This means all sex outside of marriage. Marriage is from God and he hates divorce. I do say any of this to upset anyone, but I find it very alarming that those that claim to be Christians are encouraging people in homosexuality and heterosexual impurity.

 

[Elizabeth619]

am not ranting about anything,care to answer why you go back and forth on your own words?
you think i was not supposed to do it,when you don't believe in casting out evil spirits/demons etc according to one of your own comments and then talk supporting it in another one...
This is not fun time or some topic to sip tea and have a chat about.If you are serious then Pray for that person so that person might come to Christ than spend here time confusing, and maybe even influence other people...
am sorry if i hurt you in anyway,and my intention was not ridicule,....but just trying to say that your posts contradict..

Please be careful when you post things,i suggest you read your comments before posting..should i list them out?by 'nap' i meant spiritual slumber and not about taking rest...
possessed people should be cast out of evil entities be it if the name is not in the bible,then also...
Does all the fallen angels have any emphasis in Holy Scripture?i understood this name by a studying real history of this world some time back...this is no play thing...this is serious matter..
And in no ways i was trying to hurt you personally,apologies if you feel so...
i apologize for that again if you felt so...

Where did I say you hurt me? I'm having a hard enough time figuring out the majority of what you say.
I also don't contradict. "Casting out demons" is not something that should be taken lightly and many in this day look at it as some type of divine toy. People should study scripture to make sure these things are even possible in this day considering miracles in the first century were a tool to prove the existence and power of God. We now have the bible as evidence that many like to discredit for some reason.

Its also a good idea not to tell others how to behave on a forum. That isn't your job. We have administrators that monitor people here and if you have an issue then consult them. You tend to hold yourself higher than others and act as if your more educatedin scripture. You disagreeing doesn't make you more educated. It also doesn't make you right. You should study as to why others don't see scripture the same way before you ATTEMPT to correct someone. I read the bible daily and learn something new each time. I also don't follow charismatic teachers. That has been known to be dangerous territory.