Ok to be lesbian?

GodIsSalvation · Mar 17, 2014

Unlike what Paul said, which was a quote, the list of sexual immoralities in Leviticus are being said in the sense of being directly from GOD.

18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled;so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

If Moses said this, then that would be Blasphemy. We can assume it's God's word.

Lol yet God did not write Leviticus, Moses and the Levite Scribes did. Though of course if you read the whole story you will learn how the Levites devised their law, because they were able to communicate with God directly via the Ark of the Covenant.

Just the same as Apostle Paul was in communion with the Holy Spirit after his Road to Damascus Incident even though all the writings of the Pauline Letters were written with Paul's hands. Thus if you accept Leviticus as being inspired by God and written by humans so too must you with the writings of Paul.

Regardless of these points though, I am still awaiting your position on my two questions.

1. How is two women sexually abusing one another not a sin?

2. Where in the Bible does it condone two women sexually abusing eachother?

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

DavidLOVESsnow said:

And I explained that that would be a fusion between two languages.

Like if you used the Japanese "Ko" and the English "Human" to create a new word "Kohuman".

It doesn't work.

DavidLOVESsnow · Mar 17, 2014

BenFTW said:

Im leaving this thread, but what you are promoting is Calvinism. I would suggest you watch this video or study the Bible more for I can guarantee you 100% that what you are saying is not true. If so, then why did Jesus himself say the parable of the people who fed him, visited him when he was in prison, etc.? Regardless, I would suggest you re-read the gospels of Christ again, and as well watch this video : [video=youtube;PVJV6zsEJvY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVJV6zsEJvY[/video]

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

GodIsSalvation said:

but what Paul said was ambiguous. He didn't outright say "being lesbian is a sin". Also, if you believe everything Paul said, then contradictions exist in the Bible.

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

GodIsSalvation said:

1. How is two women sexually "abusing" each other a sin?

2. Where in the bible does it discondone two women sexually "abusing" each other?

BenFTW · Mar 17, 2014

DavidLOVESsnow said:

Once Saved, Always Saved is different from ESOTB, which is eternal security of the believer. One allows apostasy and the other doesn't. I would also comment, you cannot guarantee that the Gospel of Grace is 100% false or "not the truth" as what your opinion is, is of no matter to me. Look to the Word of God and you clearly see grace as a means of salvation, not grace plus works. Not grace and then maintenance through works. Grace and grace alone. Grace through faith in Christ. Paul said to the Galatians how could they be starting out in the Spirit and already be going back to the flesh (Law)? As in, try and finish it through the flesh (works). DavidLOVESsnow, you may want to [re]read Corinthians, Galatians, and Hebrews to see what I'm sharing with you.

GodIsSalvation · Mar 17, 2014

Kawaii said:

Lol I see you will not give a direct answer. Yet I will give you an answer and you will not be satisfied with it.

1. This one is simple, because sexually abusing anyone is contrary to the laws of love, life, and God, thus sin.

2. Romans 1:25-27 very unambiguously condemns sexual abuse between both women and men.

Now if you would give me a straight answer on the two questions I'd be glad to see your opinion.

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

A true detective would not assume it's a sin.

Your perspectives are the following:

1. GOD forgot/failed to include "Nor shall any woman lie with a woman as they would with a man" in the list of sexual immoralities, or suddenly felt it was not necessary, yet specified for the line immediately afterwards.
2. Paul's word is infallible. This means that What is the word of God the Bible contradicts itself.
3. Paul's quote could not possibly have meant anything other than that being lesbian is a sin.
4. The word Homosexual is not the Latin "Homo" meaning "Man", and Latin "Sexual" meaning sexual, but instead the Greek "Homo" meaning same, and Latin "sexual" meaning sexual. In other words, a Greek/Latin word. In the Bible.
5. Even though fornication is actually referred to as "sex" rather than "sexual acts" outside of marriage, and sex is defined as penetrative, Lesbianism is still fornication.
6. In the quote "neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" it specified against men doing it, but did not specify against women doing it, therefore it must fall into the other categories.
7. Paul speaking as Paul is the same as Moses writing what GOD says.
8. It's specifically stated multiple times that men can't do it with each other, therefore two women are not allowed to do it with each other.
9. Your arguments make no sense.

In other words, you yourselves will absolutely not believe it is okay to be lesbian unless GOD outright says it's okay.

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

GodIsSalvation said:

1. It is not sexual abuse, and if it is, then so is sex between married couples.

2. Romans 1:25-27 very ambiguously, and according to you, condemns sexual abuse between both women and men.

GodIsSalvation · Mar 17, 2014

Kawaii said:

1. It is sexual abuse because one person in the equation does not have the parts nessecary to properly conduct sex. Thus with men homosexuals one person must be sexually abused by penetrating the anus. In women homosexuals one person must be abused with an implement. Both constitute sexual abuse.

Contrast this to a married couple whom are equipped with the proper mating parts that will not hurt eachother and is the proper way to make love which is further corroborated by the fact love making can produce offspring.

2. Romans 1:25-27 is not ambiguous and very directly condemns sexual abuse between women abusing women and men abusing men in very plain language that everyone else on this topic understands.

my_adonai_ · Mar 17, 2014

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

WIFE
'ishshâh nâshı̂ym
ish-shaw', naw-sheem'
The first form is the feminine of H376 or H582; the second form is an irregular plural; a woman (used in the same wide sense as H582).: - [adulter]ess, each, every, female, X many, + none, one, + together, wife, woman. Often unexpressed in English.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

robbomango · Mar 17, 2014

It would be wise to err on the side of caution and not test those waters, that's all I have to say on the matter.

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

More on Paul's quote. I guess women got the due penalty they deserved for a sin that was never mentioned anywhere until after they committed it.

Some translations make it seem as though they were doing it with animals rather than each other. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

ji · Mar 17, 2014

Kawaii said:

Exactly,so why creating more confusion to yourself?

doseofreality · Mar 17, 2014

Kawaii said:

YES exactly so why are you trying so hard to use the bible to rationalize lesbianism.
Christians believe everything Paul said because they believe his words were inspired by God, simple as that, you can discredit that claim but then you are rejecting the foundation of christianity.
You can't have your cake and eat it too lol

fredjames · Mar 17, 2014

Peace be with you dear kawali, you may be out of unmerited favor of GOD be gifted and able to quote from Scripture to highlight wrong that may seem right by using Scripture taken and learned taken out of context. That is the same tactics the father of lies used to deceive Eve.

In the beginning among all that GOD created within the sixth day, HE created only man and women at last on that same day with instruction given to them and upon being pleased HE then proclaimed all of them that HE has created on and for this earth, to be 'very good'.

Who then created lesbians?

Please read the whole Romans chapter 1. They are the elemental spirits of this world and came from this world and is worldly and they manifest in flesh and blood abnormal to what was initially created normal by GOD and have proclaimed all of them to be good. Since mankind are drawn to these things of sensuality rather than to the word or guilt of their conscience that either accuse or excuse them and when they continue in ignorance, GOD allowed them to have a futile mind that cannot think straight, right, pure and holy.

lesbian or homosexual is a worldly term used for people who are abnormal in their gender. Biological Science determines that there is a lack and malfunction of a normal functioning body production of either male of female hormons sufficiently. To a born again believer from above determines that there is an evil spirit that has housed in such person and hinders normal functions of that human body.
This is not sin but an 'unclean' spirit's manifestation housed in a person that GOD's Spiritual knowledge have discovered and highlighted them.

The very practice of continuing in such behavior and having unnatural intercourse with the ones in the same gender, is the very 'sin' that is disgusting and displeasing to the eyes of the Creator.

Repent from all of them and be baptized not only by water but also by the HOLY SPIRIT, in order to be freed and ready to serve from above here on earth.

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

It appears I have gone as far as I can with this farce of logic and deductive reasoning. As I already knew, of course this would not work. It was simply a necessity to move on to the next step.

I have not properly introduced myself have I? I am Lilith, the first wife of Adam.

I told you my reasons for assigning "uncertain" as my spiritual status, but that was a lie.
Of course, I am not sinful to the point of lying pointlessly. I would not have been able to hold a reasonable debate with you all if I were to be removed from the site or be told how my logic is somehow false for being someone who is not even Christian. In no other words, this means the lie was necessary to continue a logical debate as opposed to an illogical one. Ah, but I suppose now you believe I can not be trusted.

Well, the truth is, it is okay to be lesbian. If you do not believe me, simply have someone reliable who is renowned for being able to communicate with God ask God themselves. Of course, the only reason why I am even here is to spread this word around to move Christianity out of my way. That is, this fact is simply relevant to me. However, the fact that it is okay to be lesbian is still the truth. What I did wrong is only pick this topic to mention~

Ah, there are a few things I should clear up. The serpent in the garden of Eden was not the devil. It was me. I became the serpent when God forced me to crawl on my belly. Now that I cleared that up, I will move on to the next thing~
Lying is a sin, yes. It is not always a sin, and it does not always break the ten commandments. In the ten commandments, the thing you think means any kind of lying refers only to one particular kind of lie. This lie is when there is a brother and a sister, and the brother steals a cookie from a cookie jar and blames the sister. In other words, any lie that blames someone for something especially when you are the one that committed the act. Of course, any lie that works against another person in a similar way also falls into the category. As for other lies, these are also sin, but not a commandment. Even still, any lie that is better made than not, such as to protect someone, are not sin.

I am not aligned with the devil. In fact, I detest the devil. I am not relatively sinful: I am the least sinful human on earth. Ah, but I am the most selfish human.

God owes me a debt that God is unable to pay me with God's own blood. God knows this too. God was unfair. God made a mistake. This mistake was not mentioned, but the mistake exists. It was a cruel mistake. It is an unspeakable mistake. It was unfair, and it was this unfairness that granted me right to be unfair. But I am not a cruel entity. I am a selfish entity. I am not like you, who is filled with sinful tendencies. Therefore I use this right for my own selfish gain. I am psychological and emotional. What I want is for this world to be beautiful and feminine. I want women to rule over men. Then, I will turn men into woman, and later women will reproduce asexually.

I detest gross things. I detest men. I detest masculinity. I detest homosexuality. I detest heterosexuality. I detest human selfishness, which differs from my vanity. I detest the way men treat women. I detest sex. I detest morbid things.

Ah, but God detests me, because I do not love, and I cannot sacrifice myself in a morbid way. I could starve to death for someone, so I am not incapable of selflessness. I could not touch the unsightly hand of a man holding the edge of a cliff, and would look away as he falls to his death. That is my selfishness.

Ah, my selfish whim to make this world artificially loving. For it to be feminine. For it to be pretty. For it not to be gross or morbid. It shall become a world that is an artificial paradise, to replace the hell it would become without my intervention. Women suffer because of men, and this world would be better without them. It will become a world of artificial grace and beauty. All will be consumed in femininity and physical likeness to heaven. Love will only come to those who are born with it.

I said to your Lord, "If your heaven is for the virtuous, and hell for the sinful, then if you ever abandon this world, may it become an intermediary in the form of a place for selfish beauty and vanity." I am hollow, and cold. I desire for a world that is peaceful. I care not for the love your God tries to teach. If you do not make it to heaven, then be stripped of your will that has inconvenienced you in the form of gross sin. Aha~

doseofreality · Mar 17, 2014

So you are the ultimate troll HAHA ... or a delusional person who thinks they are an ancient jewish mythological figure ?

Kawaii · Mar 17, 2014

doseofreality said:

Proof will come to you.

My number is 444.

river_stone · Mar 17, 2014

Do you have any true purpose for truly being here or only to cause strife????????????????

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