Ok to be lesbian?

[danalee]

you are right..that's how God trapped me..
Chastisement with Love and showing that it hurts Him, when i sin..
It was a hell lot of struggle when i began to walk in Faith to please God...sometimes i felt i was doing more than i used to before i got Saved,then i realized the battles became tough because i chose God over world.So things began to make sense,and i let it go in God.Gradually i began to Overcome,and He taught me Humility through that..Still a lot to Learn in Faith Life..

That's a lovely testimony of your walk in faith, ji. And I feel you, things do not suddenly become easier in that walk when we are called. We are challenged more when we accept his light and as he reveals himself and his truth. Sometimes I become so emotional knowing he loves a sinner like me.

(apologies for the off-topic posts to the rest...) Happy Sunday everyone

 

[homwardbound]

homwardbound,
highwayman man doesn't realize that he needs to step down and talk.i am not proud of many things i do in my life and hate my flesh because of the fact that i am not able to do much for God.i agree that i might have been harsh to that person a little,but i was not yelling because i hated that person(kawaii) but i wanted that person to realize what is inside that person.i made a public apology to all and told everyone who posted contradicting comments they themselves posted, that they are fighting with each other confused.
highwayman and others doesn't pay no attention to that nor are they willing to say anything about Praying for that person.That is 100% debate crazy and trying to show they are right irrespective of what reality is.If i wanted to be like that i would not have publicly apologized.
So if i try to agree with that person,tomorrow he will hinder a real Deliverance ministry somewhere grieving the Holy Spirit.And i told anyone who want to teach me correctly regarding all this,they can message me...if nobody is interested,
Nobody did message,i don't think that is Love of God but 100% debate crazy.
i respect totally what you are doing here homwardboundand i agree also that am not a 100% perfect man,i have my flaws..
so thanks for pointing things out..but i will cast out evil entities for my protection if i feel their presence,but here in this site i will be careful not to entertain such posts(will avoid) and let people take the arguments to 1000 useless comments getting themselves under demonic influence,that's bottom line..
Hurts me,but i will stay away..that's my word.
God Bless

Intention was never meant for you to leave threads or CC. I see to have no respect of persons as God views us all this same way, not one, no one better that the other no matter what stage of truth they are in by God from God through Son
thank you just seek to edify and be edified, iron does sharpen iron

 

[homwardbound]

And we can never repay enough to what God did for us in Christ...because that Mercy is still holding us ...our debts are increasing so much that we have no room left but to change to get close to God,making a decision to change our lives..that's how God trapped me to change
...every time i sin i crucify him again,
so i had to take a Leap of Faith to change then..and looking back so many unwanted things gone and still more to throw away in this race...

For me it is God all the way that caused me to change from self works to God's works of Christ by Faith in God's finished work for me, and this does noit change this Mercy whether one sins or not, truth from God is truth and nothiong can make this void
Not trapped set free there is a big difference

 

[homwardbound]

I think the point Paul was making is that we cannot act like this is okay? We are not showing love when we encourage people to continue doing what they are doing. This verse is not talking about someone that just came in to visit, but that has become comfortable in the church family doing something that God clearly disapproves of. You are not representing God when you tell someone that is homosexual that it's okay. I repeat, I am not saying to throw someone out if they are searching for God. I am saying that we cannot allow someone to think that God approves of sexual immorality, whether it is heterosexual or homosexual. Paul says this in 1 Cor 5:3-5 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Never said it is okay, nor have I said any sin that anyone commits is okay. I stand in Christ's love and Mercy to all, seeing this love that changed me and is still at work in me, you and all that believe God, from the smallest to the greatest, we all will reason to rejoice, and this rejoicing is he came to give us new life in the Spirit for all that choose to beleive.
Whether all will choose to or not is not my business. My Job is newsboy, not editor as to you are going and you are not because of you doing this or that
And I do see your point about and in the gathering of each believer we are to rebuke, yet all in God's timing and lead. For God knows what needs to be said to each person for them to make the conscious choice as to beleive God or not

Did God lead Christ the Son? Who did the works God or the Son? Are we to be the same as ambassadors, representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness that only Father has, is the only one good?

 

[Timeline]

Again I'm not saying to mindlessly and heartlessly throw people out of the church, but I also think the bible is very clear that we need to be careful with what we allow a member to continue doing. I think that the list of things that God hates is a good place to stay, trying not to go beyond or cutting this the list short.

 

[just-me]

Again I'm not saying to mindlessly and heartlessly throw people out of the church, but I also think the bible is very clear that we need to be careful with what we allow a member to continue doing. I think that the list of things that God hates is a good place to stay, trying not to go beyond or cutting this the list short.

Debating on lesbianism, within the ranks of the church, is a tool of the adversary when we try to justify those actions because God commands us to love all people. Loving others is to shine the light on things that are truly not in the will of God, and not try to condone wrong by saying the commandments are that we love one another.

God hates sin because it separates us from Him. Practicing lesbianism is the separating power between the person and God, and He hates it because He wants a relationship with that person. The whole purpose of salvation is to change us, not His statutes.

 

[Timeline]

Debating on lesbianism, within the ranks of the church, is a tool of the adversary when we try to justify those actions because God commands us to love all people. Loving others is to shine the light on things that are truly not in the will of God, and not try to condone wrong by saying the commandments are that we love one another.

God hates sin because it separates us from Him. Practicing lesbianism is the separating power between the person and God, and He hates it because He wants a relationship with that person. The whole purpose of salvation is to change us, not His statutes.

I think that you maybe saying the same thing that I was saying.

 

[just-me]

I think that you maybe saying the same thing that I was saying.

Correct. Love is not arbitrary acceptance. It's assisting according to the word of God.

 

[homwardbound]

Again I'm not saying to mindlessly and heartlessly throw people out of the church, but I also think the bible is very clear that we need to be careful with what we allow a member to continue doing. I think that the list of things that God hates is a good place to stay, trying not to go beyond or cutting this the list short.

What do you mean? " the bible is very clear that we need to be careful with what we allow a member to continue doing"

Are you God? Did you make the Heavens and earth? Did you go to the death for us? Are you responsible for your Brother, in what way?
Who am I to condemn?
[h=3]Romans 14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.

The above at the time of being written the concern was food sacrificed to Idols and whether one was free to eat or not of it, and it goes deeper that just being materialistic on food alone as is claimed as food chapter only.
For I know as Paul said, that ALL Things are clean of itself, by Christ through his sacrifice for us all. So I see it is what i do with what I am free to do or not do that turns it into evil
For if your brother is grieved by it do not do it in front of him for whom Christ also died
Do you see this?

 

[homwardbound]

A Girl's Message To All Christians - YouTube

 

[Kefa54]

How about the easy answer. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. God never gave the government authority to marry anyone.

Kafa

 

[Timeline]

What do you mean? " the bible is very clear that we need to be careful with what we allow a member to continue doing"

Are you God? Did you make the Heavens and earth? Did you go to the death for us? Are you responsible for your Brother, in what way?
Who am I to condemn?
Romans 14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.

The above at the time of being written the concern was food sacrificed to Idols and whether one was free to eat or not of it, and it goes deeper that just being materialistic on food alone as is claimed as food chapter only.
For I know as Paul said, that ALL Things are clean of itself, by Christ through his sacrifice for us all. So I see it is what i do with what I am free to do or not do that turns it into evil
For if your brother is grieved by it do not do it in front of him for whom Christ also died
Do you see this?

1 Cor 5:9-13 "I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;[SUP] [/SUP]I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. [SUP] [/SUP]But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. [SUP] [/SUP]For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? [SUP] [/SUP]But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves"


These are not my words. I do agree that we should give grace, but you are not do anyone a favor by encouraging them to be immoral. You must lovingly tell them that homosexuality (in this case) is not okay with God.

 

[Elizabeth619]

How about the easy answer. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. God never gave the government authority to marry anyone.

Kafa

That's true. I never even considered that.

 

[The_highwayman]

1 Cor 5:9-13 "I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves"


These are not my words. I do agree that we should give grace, but you are not do anyone a favor by encouraging them to be immoral. You must lovingly tell them that homosexuality (in this case) is not okay with God.

You are standing on 1 cor 5.1-13 and have taken it out of complete context. 1 cor 5.1-13 is dealing with a case of incest that was already in the church and the church discipline of the man engaged in the sin of incest, by having sex with his step mother. Paul then admonishes the Corinth church to love the man in 2 Cor 2.

1 Cor 5.1-13 It is NOT talking about unsaved homosexuals.



Homosexuality is not a greater sin than any other sin. The ultimate sin is unbelief and that is what we are all guilty of Why not lovingly tell a homosexual they are as guilty as you were for rejecting Jesus?

When we start playing Holy Spirit is when we get into the ditch and become pharisee's. It is not the job of Christians to point out to the unsaved homosexual their immorality is a sin, its your job to show the love of Jesus and direct them to salvation without even mentioning the sin of their immorality. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict them of their lifestyle.


The body has gotten in the ditch over this style of badgering. We have the notion that it is our place to clean them up for God and point-out their immorality, you would be hard pressed to show me anywhere in the Bible that Jesus ever did this.

The Holy Spirit convicts and many water and one reaps the harvest, cleaning the root bed is the job of the Holy Spirit and as the new convert begin to renew their own mind with the help of spiritually mature mentors.

All of the homosexuals we see get born again and free from homosexual sin are never confronted with their immorality. They were confronted by the Love of Jesus shining through a spiritually mature son or daughter, that does not have to call out the persons sexual immorality to share the Gospel with them.

 

[Timeline]

You are standing on 1 cor 5.1-13 and have taken it out of complete context. 1 cor 5.1-13 is dealing with a case of incest that was already in the church and the church discipline of the man engaged in the sin of incest, by having sex with his step mother. Paul then admonishes the Corinth church to love the man in 2 Cor 2.

1 Cor 5.1-13 It is NOT talking about unsaved homosexuals.



Homosexuality is not a greater sin than any other sin. The ultimate sin is unbelief and that is what we are all guilty of Why not lovingly tell a homosexual they are as guilty as you were for rejecting Jesus?

When we start playing Holy Spirit is when we get into the ditch and become pharisee's. It is not the job of Christians to point out to the unsaved homosexual their immorality is a sin, its your job to show the love of Jesus and direct them to salvation without even mentioning the sin of their immorality. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict them of their lifestyle.


The body has gotten in the ditch over this style of badgering. We have the notion that it is our place to clean them up for God and point-out their immorality, you would be hard pressed to show me anywhere in the Bible that Jesus ever did this.

The Holy Spirit convicts and many water and one reaps the harvest, cleaning the root bed is the job of the Holy Spirit and as the new convert begin to renew their own mind with the help of spiritually mature mentors.

All of the homosexuals we see get born again and free from homosexual sin are never confronted with their immorality. They were confronted by the Love of Jesus shining through a spiritually mature son or daughter, that does not have to call out the persons sexual immorality to share the Gospel with them.

If Paul is only addressing incest, then why did he list other sins. And if you are reading my posts and this verse, I am not talking about people outside of the church. I am talking about people that are becoming comfortable with this lifestyle that are in the church. But I will take this moment to say that I will never tell anyone that it is okay to be homosexual. At the same time I think we should be loving in our approach when we tell them.

 

[tucksma]

If Paul is only addressing incest, then why did he list other sins. And if you are reading my posts and this verse, I am not talking about people outside of the church. I am talking about people that are becoming comfortable with this lifestyle that are in the church. But I will take this moment to say that I will never tell anyone that it is okay to be homosexual. At the same time I think we should be loving in our approach when we tell them.

I agree with you on this timeline. There is a point where you have to take actions on a member in the church, not to cast them out for good, but in the hope that they'll see the error in their actions and come back trying to change, or already changed. My church practices this is rare cases. The last case I have heard of was a man sleeping with many different girls both in and out of my faith. So the older men of the church asked him to leave in the hopes he'd see his wrong doings and come back. Most of the time this does work, sometimes it doesn't though. We are told to cast people out of the church though if they have certain traits as Paul states.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You should have seen me laughing when I read your post. I just took you off ignore for this one. Hilarious!

It's like a bunch of trolls landed in this one thread and are trolling each other.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

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I have reason to believe that being lesbian is not a sin. What do you think?

 

[tucksma]

Homewardbound you are missing something. You keep saying Love is the key right? Well you are showing love to someone when you kick them out of your church in hopes they see the error in their ways. Letting them continue in a comfortable life, with sins that are stated specifically to NOT inherit the kingdom of God (like homosexuality) is a terrible thing. You are not making them want to change at all, and therefore they won't, and therefore they won't inherit the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6

The wounds you put on someone by kicking them out, by putting them through pain, IS love. It's focusing on their salvation, not how warm and fuzzy they feel on the inside. Which is more important? Salvation, or how good one feels? I would say salvation.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

He's not interested in the Gospel of Jesus Christ so much as the gospel of HomewardBound.

But there is, of course, only ONE legitimate Gospel and that IS the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The early Church always remembered that there was only ONE gospel and the New Testament never employed the term in the plural. Therefore it spoke only of the four-fold form of the one gospel: ‘‘the Gospel according to Matthew,’’ ‘‘the Gospel according to Mark,’’ etc... and that Gospel is all about salvation, sanctification, and glorification.

To sanctify in the New Testament means to separate from or to cleanse from moral defilement. Sanctification is the process of separating, or state of being separated, from moral defilement.

God is spoken of as being sanctified by the revelation of His own character, not that He is made holy but shown to be Holy.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the instrument that gives genuine Christians victory over the world, victory over the flesh, and victory over the devil.

The path to sanctification is set forth in Romans 6 (e.g. knowing we are dead to sin through Christ, reckoning this to be a fact, and yielding ourselves to God's righteous demands).

The bible is clear that purification from sin in our lives does not follow automatically from salvation/justification. It involves cooperation on our part; we must align ourselves with God's morality which is a reflection of His very nature and yield to His sanctifying grace.

Sanctification is a process, and often a difficult process, that continues from the time of our salvation to the point of our physical death. There are great victories and also hard defeats. Some areas are easy for us and we get almost instaneous deliverance from some sin while other areas are like molasses that we swim so slowly out of. But whether quickly or slowly we progress over time. We may fall hard like David but also like David we genuinely repent and move forward aided by God and His grace once more toward the prize buffeting ourselves so as not to be disqualified and over time we progress in holiness.

For the purpose of salvation isn't so we can live in great sexual immorality maligning God's Word to justify our sin deceiving ourselves and others even to the point of perverting God's institution of marriage into a homosexual abomination.

Not at all. The purpose of salvation is to bring us into God's kingdom where God can work with us to change us progressively into the image of His son that knew NO moral defilement or sin whatsoever in preparation for eternity with Himself.

That IS the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Homewardbound you are missing something. You keep saying Love is the key right? Well you are showing love to someone when you kick them out of your church in hopes they see the error in their ways. Letting them continue in a comfortable life, with sins that are stated specifically to NOT inherit the kingdom of God (like homosexuality) is a terrible thing. You are not making them want to change at all, and therefore they won't, and therefore they won't inherit the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6

The wounds you put on someone by kicking them out, by putting them through pain, IS love. It's focusing on their salvation, not how warm and fuzzy they feel on the inside. Which is more important? Salvation, or how good one feels? I would say salvation.