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Those who are here to CONDEMN and NOT PRAY for weak minded and afflicted people,
Please Read my Thread http://christianchat.com/testimonies/87454-what-i-see-ignore-if-you-group-showing-partiality-please-i.html.
And check yourself, how much you qualify to speak of Holiness????...
Also leave people alone who speak of the Grace of God that sustains them when you all are not ready to testify like such..don't scare people away by condemnation preaching,Pray for them..
Please Read my Thread http://christianchat.com/testimonies/87454-what-i-see-ignore-if-you-group-showing-partiality-please-i.html.
And check yourself, how much you qualify to speak of Holiness????...
Also leave people alone who speak of the Grace of God that sustains them when you all are not ready to testify like such..don't scare people away by condemnation preaching,Pray for them..
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul plainly says here that we can't help but associate with those in the world but you do not tolerate them (and their foul behavior) in the Church of God.
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul plainly says here that we can't help but associate with those in the world but you do not tolerate them (and their foul behavior) in the Church of God.
Lovingly then to you, God is then not okay with you, me or anyone else, for sin caused death and you, I or anyone else has not stopped, and in this unredeemed flesh you can't ever
So, I see take all thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ
2 Corinthians 10:5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
This is mneant for me personally between God and me, as is the same for every person here on this earth, and we each decide in ourselves between God and each person as to what is good for us and what is not.
I personally do not agree with any sin, yet I sin, and can't say I never will. but I can say I die daily and am crucified with Christ my way, is his way, my truth is his truth and my new life is his life, living through me, found through Son's propitiation for not only my sin, the whole worlds
God just loves us, and the deeper one sees this love the deeper one loves.
Just be careful please to not condemn for God did not condemn you did God? Do you appreciate this or are you now self righteous because you say you believe God? Just asking, only you know the truth in this ? between God and you
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Humble is deep, and I know it can be easy for me to forget this, thinking I know truth, when only Father does
So, I see take all thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ
2 Corinthians 10:5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
This is mneant for me personally between God and me, as is the same for every person here on this earth, and we each decide in ourselves between God and each person as to what is good for us and what is not.
I personally do not agree with any sin, yet I sin, and can't say I never will. but I can say I die daily and am crucified with Christ my way, is his way, my truth is his truth and my new life is his life, living through me, found through Son's propitiation for not only my sin, the whole worlds
God just loves us, and the deeper one sees this love the deeper one loves.
Just be careful please to not condemn for God did not condemn you did God? Do you appreciate this or are you now self righteous because you say you believe God? Just asking, only you know the truth in this ? between God and you
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Humble is deep, and I know it can be easy for me to forget this, thinking I know truth, when only Father does
Christ even gave us instruction on how to apply this...
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Just maybe we don't tell them, and trust God to tell them through us as Christ told the disciples this.
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Who does the speaking? whom are we to trust, self or God? Ask for what to say, and if one does trust God to do the speaking, I bet even self is surprised
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Who does the speaking? whom are we to trust, self or God? Ask for what to say, and if one does trust God to do the speaking, I bet even self is surprised
And Paul had said he regretted getting down on the Corinthians, not sure as to how this rebuke would turn out why? because he knew the weapons of the enemy, to cause upheaval any way possible.
I mean the letter first was written to them because they took God's grace for granted and not in appreciation, they heard this thought, did Paul not say you are forgiven past tense? And they replied yes, then they perceived from their we can do anything we want and I tell you they did not see this forgiveness in appreciation and so the whole body was out of order. eating and drinking, carousing, had women from the Brothel, and on the pulpit preaching permissibility, since they were all past tense forgiven.
But this letter and the 2nd one led to the truth, yes it is truth past tense you are forgiven by God the Father of Christ through Christ 100%, yet this was never meant to be taken for granted and continue on in harming others with no consideration for them, no love except for the self and others that agree with them. You or anyone else God has no respect of persons. I am not better than anyone and anyone is not better than me, whether I beleive or not, get it I hope and pray
I mean the letter first was written to them because they took God's grace for granted and not in appreciation, they heard this thought, did Paul not say you are forgiven past tense? And they replied yes, then they perceived from their we can do anything we want and I tell you they did not see this forgiveness in appreciation and so the whole body was out of order. eating and drinking, carousing, had women from the Brothel, and on the pulpit preaching permissibility, since they were all past tense forgiven.
But this letter and the 2nd one led to the truth, yes it is truth past tense you are forgiven by God the Father of Christ through Christ 100%, yet this was never meant to be taken for granted and continue on in harming others with no consideration for them, no love except for the self and others that agree with them. You or anyone else God has no respect of persons. I am not better than anyone and anyone is not better than me, whether I beleive or not, get it I hope and pray
[h=3]Luke 6:32-40[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. [SUP]35 [/SUP]But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. [SUP]37 [/SUP]Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: [SUP]38 [/SUP]give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? [SUP]40 [/SUP]The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. [SUP]35 [/SUP]But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. [SUP]37 [/SUP]Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: [SUP]38 [/SUP]give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? [SUP]40 [/SUP]The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
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You would be right John, that is not my beef with timeline, we were discussing unsaved Homosexuals in the world, not church discipline or even immorality in the church and he brings up 1 Cor 5.1-13 to stand on his belief in telling Homosexuals they are sinners headed for hell. He is out of context and wrong.
I understand Paul and church discipline and by debate with timeline and others is that the church teachings of Paul have been perverted and mis-applied by certain denominations to include the unsaved in the world and that is squarely wrong.
The Epistles of Paul were written to the church for the church and pertaining to the church, not as clubs to beat sinners over the head with.
timeline and other Christians beat homosexuals over the head using an Epistle, it is evident, that they do not even know how to apply. Paul was talking about homosexuality in the church, not unsaved homosexuals.
I have no issue with church discipline or Paul, but we must adhere to proper context or we end up in a ditch of confusion and several on this thread are in the ditch thinking it is Biblical to run up to anyone in the world, especially homosexuals and tell them they are sinners. And they do it because of misapplied teaching of Epistles that speak to the church and not the world.
Thank you for your stance:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
if you are led to do what you say then go for it, but if you are not then this work of self will burn up at judgment
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Tell your brother, Sister as to how you belief yes definitely, and then trust God to do God's work through you the same as the Disciples who waited for God from the Spirit of on high and preached through them, get it, love you
no one comes to belief truly but by God truly, there is no more self works to be done after the cross of Christ, none
[h=3]ohn 3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: [SUP]2 [/SUP]the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
This can't be forced as many do this force. Love as you are loved, maybe if being mean to them is not your view, yet it is theirs, then maybe tell them I do this because I love you as God does.
Now I remember my Mother saying this to me as Dad was whipping me with the belt, and I looked at my Mother and said if this is love I want nothing to do with it.
She then started talking with me, and I never got the belt again, for God used her to teach me truth over error from that day forward and I did not listen, and later did. God is amazingly awesome to all, and I see your conviction on this issue, but please be careful how deep it goes into condemning others even though you have the greatest of intentions
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
if you are led to do what you say then go for it, but if you are not then this work of self will burn up at judgment
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Tell your brother, Sister as to how you belief yes definitely, and then trust God to do God's work through you the same as the Disciples who waited for God from the Spirit of on high and preached through them, get it, love you
no one comes to belief truly but by God truly, there is no more self works to be done after the cross of Christ, none
[h=3]ohn 3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: [SUP]2 [/SUP]the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
This can't be forced as many do this force. Love as you are loved, maybe if being mean to them is not your view, yet it is theirs, then maybe tell them I do this because I love you as God does.
Now I remember my Mother saying this to me as Dad was whipping me with the belt, and I looked at my Mother and said if this is love I want nothing to do with it.
She then started talking with me, and I never got the belt again, for God used her to teach me truth over error from that day forward and I did not listen, and later did. God is amazingly awesome to all, and I see your conviction on this issue, but please be careful how deep it goes into condemning others even though you have the greatest of intentions
Well how can this be done it is a pick and choose as the one running the place see fit, for if they did not pick and choose there would be no one left, just as what happened when they brought the prostitute to Jesus to stone her, and what happened, they all left and Jesus did not even accuse her. Are we not listening? If this happened to me and the same scenario has not . when Jesus said now go and sin no more, I take that to heart and searched out how, and found out it is my unredeemed flesh that sins, not the new me, the inner man of my heart, where I serve God and is where I want to stay 24/7 and God is amazing for God is the only one that can do this in my stead, therefore I die daily and love all and get led by Father as Christ was led by Father. You do realize that after his ascension , he sent us each those that beleive the very same Holy Ghost that led him, (Father) to do what? Just live inside you or through you as Father did through Son? Those who have ears hear what the Spirit is saying
So then this would not be in the building then would it be? more like in your own self body, keeping it under subjection by the faith in the finished work of Christ, so that you can be led by God to those in need of God? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.