Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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True, it just means you will die in your sins. Jesus said so.
Actually, you're saying that. I hope you aren't judged by your standard. Since I believe Jesus is who he said he is, I am good. You on the other hand, I honestly don't know. I think you believe you know who Jesus is, but in word and deed I can't see it.
 
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God and Savior Jesus Christ are two different persons in this verse; hence the Trinity. This is corroborated by a mountain of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. I haven't even bothered to post all of it.
No!

Peter is calling Our God and Saviour Jesus Christ as one person who holds both titles.

There is no way Peter is talking trinity here.
 

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It's no different than if I said our neighbor and friend...

Our God and Saviour Jesus Christ is the same person that Peter is addressing.
 
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Jesus makes no mention of the strait and narrow being "not easy."

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
It's in the verse you quoted, but it isn't apparent. You'll have to look at what was actually meant by the words used. Some versions/tranlsations make it obvious, but the NIV quoted below does not. I don't know why they chose a different word for narrow in verse 13 as opposed to verse 14, but narrow in verse 13 literally means narrow. Narrow in verse 14 means difficult as if by affliction or persecution:

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13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easya that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


NIV
Matthew 7
13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

G2346. thlibó
Strong's Concordance
thlibó: to press, afflict
Original Word: θλίβω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: thlibó
Phonetic Spelling: (thlee'-bo)
Definition: to press, afflict
Usage: (a) I make narrow (strictly: by pressure); I press upon, (b) I persecute, press hard.
 

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Actually, you're saying that. I hope you aren't judged by your standard. Since I believe Jesus is who he said he is, I am good. You on the other hand, I honestly don't know. I think you believe you know who Jesus is, but in word and deed I can't see it.
Another lie from you. Jesus said it.

That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

Your blindness is shocking considering how you puff yourself up believing you understand Scripture.

Your inability to admit when you are wrong is likewise dismaying.

As well as your saying you only believe what Scripture says while you make up things it does not say.

And you fling insults around like they are going out of style when you are backed into a corner.
 
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Another lie from you. Jesus said it.

That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

Your blindness is shocking considering how you puff yourself up believing you understand Scripture.

Your inability to admit when you are wrong is likewise dismaying.

As well as your saying you only believe what Scripture says while you make up things it does not say.

And you fling insults around like they are going out of style when you are backed into a corner.
Your dishonesty is shocking. You seem to have no shame in falsely misrepresenting Jesus. Do you know who Jesus said he is? He is the Son of God, the Messiah. Learn this quickly, for your sake.
 

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I could make direct links. Two of the most grievous things I've ever been told on this message board were in my "Do you keep the Sabbath?" thread.

First, you can start with this one and read where it ended up:



Next this one:



There's more, too, some are in this thread. some are elsewhere and I can't be bothered to dig them up at the moment.
Thanks man, I’ll check them out.
 
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Your dishonesty is shocking. You seem to have no shame in falsely misrepresenting Jesus. Do you know who Jesus said he is? He is the Son of God, the Messiah. Learn this quickly, for your sake.
Are you filled with the Holy Spirit?

Everyone I know who is filled with the Holy Spirit knows Jesus is God and Saviour!
 

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It's in the verse you quoted, but it isn't apparent. You'll have to look at what was actually meant by the words used. Some versions/tranlsations make it obvious, but the NIV quoted below does not. I don't know why they chose a different word for narrow in verse 13 as opposed to verse 14, but narrow in verse 13 literally means narrow. Narrow in verse 14 means difficult as if by affliction or persecution:

ESV
13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easya that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


NIV
Matthew 7
13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

G2346. thlibó
Strong's Concordance
thlibó: to press, afflict
Original Word: θλίβω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: thlibó
Phonetic Spelling: (thlee'-bo)
Definition: to press, afflict
Usage: (a) I make narrow (strictly: by pressure); I press upon, (b) I persecute, press hard.
This is supported by Luke 16:16...since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it...
 

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Your dishonesty is shocking. You seem to have no shame in falsely misrepresenting Jesus. Do you know who Jesus said he is? He is the Son of God, the Messiah. Learn this quickly, for your sake.
So here it is, folks. Anyone who acknowledges that Jesus is God is falsely misrepresenting Him according to the deceiver.
 
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So here it is, folks. Anyone who acknowledges that Jesus is God is falsely misrepresenting Him according to the deceiver.
Here it is, folks. Magenta believes things the Bible doesn't say and then tries to force them onto other people.
 

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I believe salvation can be lost and I believe in rebirth; not as you understand it though. I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm very secure.

Seems to me—after thinking about this a great deal—a person who has to rely on an unscriptural belief like eternal security is far more insecure than someone who doesn't.
Thank you for the chuckle. :ROFL:
 

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Here it is, folks. Magenta believes things the Bible doesn't say and then tries to force them onto other people.
That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 is Scripture. Jesus saying baptism is righteousness is not.

Unbaptized people's bodies not being resurrected is not Scripture either.

Man being born into a state that requires a spiritual rebirth in order to be reconciled to God and
attain to life ever after is Scripture. You deny it while claiming you only believe what Scripture says.
 
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That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 is Scripture. Jesus saying baptism is righteousness is not.
I believe Jesus is exactly who he said he is. What's your point?
 
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I'm baffled as well. I rightly divided the word for you and showed you that the way is difficult and you reacted with a laughing emoji.
When Thomas touched the wounds of Jesus and said to Him, my LORD and my God, if Jesus was neither why didn't Jesus correct Thomas?
 

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What Denomination claims to be Holy Spirit filled but denies Jesus is God?

Outside of Jws, Mormons, sda, which Protestant Group makes this claim?
 

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I believe Jesus is exactly who he said he is. What's your point?
“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for
blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”
John 10:33

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the
Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:18