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ThewindBlows

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That doesn't answer my post, but thank you for sharing. Jesus is the brightness of God's glory.
It does answer your question, Jesus is Gods Glory, Jesus is the creator

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
 

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No, it doesn't. It clearly says that God is the one in possession of the glory.

So I'm taking it that was your best effort to answer my post? Got anything else?
sure

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The word is God
 

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No, it doesn't. It clearly says that God is the one in possession of the glory.

So I'm taking it that was your best effort to answer my post? Got anything else?
See what you think about John 17:5
 
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sure

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The word is God
That's referring to Jesus' glorious sacrifice. I agree with that. I am asking for something about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion.
 

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That's referring to Jesus' glorious sacrifice. I agree with that. I am asking for something about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion.
Do you believe Jesus got back the glory He had before the world was?
 
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Do you believe Jesus got back the glory He had before the world was?
I don't know because Jesus asked for the glory now. I think Jesus is referring to his sacrifice in a sort of "slain from the foundation of the world" sense. (Revelation 13:8 btw)
 

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That's referring to Jesus' glorious sacrifice. I agree with that. I am asking for something about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Jesus created all things and is called almighty Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The name above all names, Jesus
 

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I don't know because Jesus asked for the glory now. I think Jesus is referring to his sacrifice in a sort of "slain from the foundation of the world" sense. (Revelation 13:8 btw)
What does it mean that He is seated at the right hand of the Father?
 
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Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
That happened at the crucifixion and resurrection:

Acts 4
8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11Jesus is

“ ‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’
12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”



Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Jesus created all things and is called almighty Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The name above all names, Jesus
All things were created "through" Jesus.

John 1:10
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
 

ThewindBlows

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All things were created "through" Jesus.

John 1:10
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

Trying to be tricky again....By him and for him

Like i told you god created everything with his word, Jesus is the word
 

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Like i told you God created everything with his Word, Jesus is the Word
 
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@The_Watchers_2017 when you're free, please let me know if you find anything about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion. All I can find are things about Jesus being glorified via the crucifixion and resurrection, but the glory for that happening going to Jesus' Father. After that, all I see are things about God the Father getting glory.
I believe God, not the distinction of Father, WORD, Holy Spirit, but God as a whole idea should get the glory.

Ultimately, They All represent the One True God. So Ultimately, the One True God deserves the glory.

Indeed, there was a distinction of how the One True God worked to provide Salvation to creation. There was a United Plan that included the Father, the WORD, and the Holy Spirit. And there is a distinctive Submission by One who emptied Himself, became human, and offered up Himself to be Sacrificed so we now have a way to be accepted and gifted Eternal Salvation.

But Ultimately, God, as a complete All Knowing, All Powerful, All Present Deity deserves the Glory!
 

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@The_Watchers_2017 when you're free, please let me know if you find anything about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion. All I can find are things about Jesus being glorified via the crucifixion and resurrection, but the glory for that happening going to Jesus' Father. After that, all I see are things about God the Father getting glory.
Twist this!! Not only is Jesus receiving Glory, Honor and Worship, but He's also referred to as God.

Revelation 4:11

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11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”
 
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You still do not get it

Jesus said blessed are those who do not see. And believe

Believe what?

What Thomas said. My Lord and My god

You sit there anf claim you show what the Bible says. But you plainly ignore what the Bible said and twist it.
You’re still talking about this.

The verse says Thomas “saw and believed.” That means Thomas believed because he saw the proof.

Jesus said the ones who are blessed are those who believe and don’t see. Right? Okay. That means Thomas is not blessed because he believed through seeing, but Jesus said the one’s who believe and don’t see are blessed.

Thomas doesn’t fit the ticket you’re proposing. That’s my last response to you on that. If you don’t understand that I can’t help you.
 
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Twist this!! Not only is Jesus receiving Glory, Honor and Worship, but He's also referred to as God.

Revelation 4:11

New International Version

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”
🤦‍♂️ you didn’t read the context did you? It isn’t talking about Jesus PennEd. Do your homework, man.
 
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Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

Trying to be tricky again....By him and for him

Like i told you god created everything with his word, Jesus is the word
Colossians 1
16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
 

PennEd

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🤦‍♂️ you didn’t read the context did you? It isn’t talking about Jesus PennEd. Do your homework, man.
Incredible that you twist that to mean it isn’t Jesus.

How about Chapter one, where it’s even going to be tougher for you to twist with your hypocrisy that Jesus isn’t God.
This is unequivocally Jesus speaking. The chapter even says so.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”