Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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ButterflyJones

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Let me enlighten you for a moment.

My Mother was raised Baptist and married my Father a Pentecostal. My Mother insisted we were to be raised Baptist and we were until I was almost in grade school.

We left because we discovered our Pastor, who believed Calvinism, also was a Leader of a group of people who wore bedsheets and chased down people of different colors and turned them into tree ornaments.

So hear my warning towards YOU, if I want to hear the gospel of Satan, I will personally seek it out myself!
You threaten me in an open forum and imply I am Satanic because I do not agree with you?

Thank you. :) I think it assists the progress of an honest discourse if I know who I'm speaking to when sharing in the truth of God's good news.
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ButterflyJones

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Disagree. The truth is made clear using proper hermeneutics, not violating the context and careful handling of the Greek.
And yet Jesus taught the true gospel speaking in parables that he said only certain ones would understand.

Peasants, unlearned people to whom he spoke, did not know hermeneutics or the proper handling of the Greek.

Most in his day were illiterate. And Jesus taught in his native tongue of Hebrew or Aramaic.

The gospel is delivered today as it was over 2000 years ago. A person does not need to have a deep background in Exegesis, Hermeneutics, or Greek language in order to get it.
 

ButterflyJones

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The latter part of Romans 8 says nothing shall separate us from the love of God. But not just the love of God, it is the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
How does one become "in Christ "? Is it something an individual does or is it something that God does?
It would seem to follow that if a person can put themselves in Christ, it would be in their power to take themselves out. If not, it would seem the converse is true.
Does Jesus tell us that?
 

cv5

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And yet Jesus taught the true gospel speaking in parables that he said only certain ones would understand.

Peasants, unlearned people to whom he spoke, did not know hermeneutics or the proper handling of the Greek.

Most in his day were illiterate. And Jesus taught in his native tongue of Hebrew or Aramaic.

The gospel is delivered today as it was over 2000 years ago. A person does not need to have a deep background in Exegesis, Hermeneutics, or Greek language in order to get it.
Its needed to NOT get it wrong. How does that sound?
In fact, superfine scholarship has won the day MANY times here on CC when dealing with the more fugitive, difficult passages.
 

ButterflyJones

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Its needed to NOT get it wrong. How does that sound?
In fact, superfine scholarship has won the day MANY times here on CC when dealing with the more fugitive, difficult passages.
How many bonafide Bible scholars attend Christian Chat forum?
 
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You threaten me in an open forum and imply I am Satanic because I do not agree with you?

Thank you. :) I think it assists the progress of an honest discourse if I know who I'm speaking to when sharing in the truth of God's good news.
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Is that your best shot?

I know your Doctrine inside and out.

I know who your Master is because your Doctrine was never taught by Jesus [God] Himself.

I am merely addressing the Source of your belief.
 

cv5

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And yet Jesus taught the true gospel speaking in parables that he said only certain ones would understand.

Peasants, unlearned people to whom he spoke, did not know hermeneutics or the proper handling of the Greek.
BTW....that is a terrible example to use. Jesus was speaking in parables to "them" as a result of JUDGEMENT having been rendered.
To "us" He is gracious to reveal them.

Maybe that did not cross your mind....because of a lack of understanding the principles of sound scholarship perhaps?

Mat 13:10
And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
Mat 13:11
He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:13
“Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14
“And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not
perceive;
Mat 13:15
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears
are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have
closed,
Lest they should see with
their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with
their hearts and turn,
So that I
should heal them.’
Mat 13:16
“But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
 

cv5

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How many bonafide Bible scholars attend Christian Chat forum?
The ones that are "bonafide Bible scholars" I hear with the greatest interest. And have bookmarked their posts by the HUNDREDS.

Just to let you know.....I have NEVER bookmarked any of your posts. For what that is worth.
 

ButterflyJones

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BTW....that is a terrible example to use. Jesus was speaking in parables to "them" as a result of JUDGEMENT having been rendered.
To "us" He is gracious to reveal them.

Maybe that did not cross your mind....because of a lack of understanding the principles of sound scholarship perhaps?

Mat 13:10
And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
Mat 13:11
He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:13
“Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14
“And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not
perceive;
Mat 13:15
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears
are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have
closed,
Lest they should see with
their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with
their hearts and turn,
So that I
should heal them.’
Mat 13:16
“But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
Are you a bonafide Bible scholar?
 

ButterflyJones

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The ones that are "bonafide Bible scholars" I hear with the greatest interest. And have bookmarked their posts by the HUNDREDS.

Just to let you know.....I have NEVER bookmarked any of your posts. For what that is worth.
It's worth a great deal. :) I'm obviously new and therefore have few posts here.

Further, it is priceless to know it takes very little to cause you to resort to disparaging remarks in an effort to dismiss the perspective of those you find yourself unequipped to meet on equal ground in a civil discourse.

Thank you. :)

I appreciate someone being honest in their demonstration of character when discussing the sacred words of God.
It assists on my end to know to whom I am speaking when discussing the true gospel of Jesus the Christ
 

ButterflyJones

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His beliefs are not tied to a Doctrine whose origins are factually connected to 2 existing Sodomy convictions.

That makes his viewpoint more reliable than yours.
I believe you are confused.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was speaking of and to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
He was charged with blasphemy by the Sanhedrin. Not Sodomy.
 
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I believe you are confused.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was speaking of and to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
He was charged with blasphemy by the Sanhedrin. Not Sodomy.
The Gospel of Jesus never included any theories concerning whether a person sins after being Saved and considered not ever Saved to begin with.

That is your response towards the first part of my post.

Those ideas come from another SOURCE, that YOU, seem to adhere and believe.
 
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How many bonafide Bible scholars attend Christian Chat forum?
Uh, like serious Bible scholars of academia? Probably none. I don’t think anyone here is fluent in Koine Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. I think there are many people here who love the Bible, myself included, and I do take it seriously, but not like doctorate level or anything.
 

ButterflyJones

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Is that your best shot?

I know your Doctrine inside and out.

I know who your Master is because your Doctrine was never taught by Jesus [God] Himself.

I am merely addressing the Source of your belief.
My, you are so full of rage.

The gospel does not conform to the will of men.
 

ButterflyJones

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Did you put yourself in Christ?
God led me to his truth when I was a child.

When I heard the gospel I felt full of warmth and literally felt like I was stuffed,filled up, as someone would a pillow case with cotton, with warmth and brilliant light that I can still recall radiating from inside me and outward so that I felt my skin tingle.

God called me from within myself where he had entered. And I have followed his light ever since.

Thank you for asking. :)
 

ButterflyJones

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Uh, like serious Bible scholars of academia? Probably none. I don’t think anyone here is fluent in Koine Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. I think there are many people here who love the Bible, myself included, and I do take it seriously, but not like doctorate level or anything.
Thank you for that reply. :)
 

Cameron143

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God led me to his truth when I was a child.

When I heard the gospel I felt full of warmth and literally felt like I was stuffed,filled up, as someone would a pillow case with cotton, with warmth and brilliant light that I can still recall radiating from inside me and outward so that I felt my skin tingle.

God called me from within myself where he had entered. And I have followed his light ever since.

Thank you for asking. :)
That's a great story. Did you place yourself in Christ?
 

ButterflyJones

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The Gospel of Jesus never included any theories concerning whether a person sins after being Saved and considered not ever Saved to begin with.

That is your response towards the first part of my post.

Those ideas come from another SOURCE, that YOU, seem to adhere and believe.
Ah, I see where you found confusion now.

The evil one does not touch me. For I am in Christ and he is in me.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.​

1 John 3:6 "No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him."

John 5:16 “If anyone sees his brother [a Christian] committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life.''

I pray that assists to clear your confusion.