Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[rogerg]

You’re taken from th law of sin and death because you are justified. Your sins are for given, you have been imputed the righteousness of CHrist you have the faith of abraham (abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness) Justification through faith.

Nope. Taken from it because they were elected to be taken from it. It is the law of sin and death that condemns and assesses sin. Once removed from it there can no longer be sin nor condemnation because there is no longer any law to do that. Christ accomplished that on behalf of the elect.

 

[ButterflyJones]

The wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life

How is the gift of God given?

John 3. Whoever BELIEVES will never die, but has eternal life

the gift is given to those who believe.

That's true. Again 1 Corinthians 2 14 is the constant related to every gospel verse.

Therefore, when we know the natural carnal mind cannot understand the things of God, only those whose natural mind has been changed by HS are able to believe the things of God formerly thought to be foolishness .

Natural mind unable to understand the things of God.

Is the Gospel one of the things of God?

Your pet verse

Sorry my friend. It does not help your case. You will have to answer all the other questions

titus 3 says we are washed then regenerated

You can;t get around that.

1 cor 2 is about Gods truths.. The HS acts as a human spirit so everyone understands the gospel.. They do not need to understand the rest of Gods truths. Not can they until they are first adopted as a child through faith in Christ.

"Pet verse".

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Nope. Taken from it because they were elected to be taken from it. It is the law of sin and death that condemns and assesses sin. Once removed from it there can no longer be sin nor condemnation because there is no longer any law to do that. Christ accomplished that on behalf of the elect.

Nope. We are elected by Gods forknowledge.

he chose to save those who see and believe him (john 6) this was the will of the father

You can thumbs down me all you want my friend.. You have not answered the question that would get me to see it your way. Why God makes a person alive while still dead in sin..

unbtil you do that. There is nothing you can say

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's true. Again 1 Corinthians 2 14 is the constant related to every gospel verse.

Therefore, when we know the natural carnal mind cannot understand the things of God, only those whose natural mind has been changed by HS are able to believe the things of God formerly thought to be foolishness .

Natural mind unable to understand the things of God.

Is the Gospel one of the things of God?

"Pet verse".

Romans 1 proves you wrong.

Because they can KNOW the things of God of who he is, What he has done, and they can even know that they deserve death because of sin, and because of it, they have no excuse.

Yes, pet verse.. it does not support your case yet you keep using it.

 

[rogerg]

God justifies us because we trust him, We wil not recieve Gods gift, unless we trust him. many do not. Thats why the gate is narrow and few there ar that enter

That's not what Paul tells us. It was nothing that Paul did - it was the law of life itself and alone that accomplished it when
placed under it.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Thats a nice story.

But as I showed you in the verses. The Bible shows differently.

God justifies us because we trust him, We wil not recieve Gods gift, unless we trust him. many do not. Thats why the gate is narrow and few there ar that enter

most people trust themselves. Thats why they think the way to God is works, religion, or how good they are..

Jesus said we must be poor in spirit to enter the kingdom. Gods brings us to our knees, at that point, we can chose to say yes, or we can chose to say no

That is what will determine when one is saved, or if they will ever be saved..

@rogerg this just proves a point

Rom 6 says the gift of God is eternal life

John 3, says the way to be born again is by lookin up to him in believe, whoever believes will never die but has life eternal

And you thumbs down the truth of the gospel..

and you are saying God makes us alive while dead in sin, and before we can believe so we can be given eternal life (which is born again)

and you mocked me saying I did not understand.

this is why these things make me laugh..

 

[thomas64]

In the real world, and outside of head theology, many christians, probably the majority, keep getting sidetracked from the path they know they should be on by various things. They may even come on the internet and argue/debate about things that are not essential to your christian walk. So they never prioduce the crop they could have produced if they had firmly stayed on the path they should have been on, and not moved from it. They never mature in the faith as they could have, for you mature by evermore practicing right from wrong:

The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. Luke8:14

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's not what Paul tells us. It was nothing that Paul did - it was the law of life itself and alone that accomplished it when
placed under it.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

THEW LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IS THE GOSPEL. HE WHO BELIEVES SHALL NOT DIE BUIT HAS ETERNAL LIFE

HE WHO HEARS THE WORDS< AND BELIEVES IS GIVEN THE SPIRIT

WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH

You keep posting these verses that do not help you and totally ignoring the verses which prove you wrong

 

[rogerg]

You can thumbs down me all you want my friend.. You have not answered the question that would get me to see it your way. Why God makes a person alive while still dead in sin..

unbtil you do that. There is nothing you can say

First, I don't particularly care whether you see it or not.
Second, your question makes no sense. By alive, do you mean being born physically?

 

[rogerg]

THEW LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IS THE GOSPEL. HE WHO BELIEVES SHALL NOT DIE BUIT HAS ETERNAL LIFE

HE WHO HEARS THE WORDS< AND BELIEVES IS GIVEN THE SPIRIT

WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH

You keep posting these verses that do not help you and totally ignoring the verses which prove you wrong

Back at you. No one can hear or believe it in-and-of themselves. It must be given as a gift BY the Spirit. How many times
do I have to repeat that?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

First, I don't particularly care whether you see it or not.
Second, your question makes no sense. By alive, do you mean being born physically?

You dont care? Then why do you keep trying to get me to see it your way,?

Why would I be speaking of being made alive physically? Did Jesus tell us to be born again physically in John 3 when he told us how to be born again by faith in him?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Back at you. No one can hear or believe it in-and-of themselves. It must be given as a gift BY the Spirit. How many times
do I have to repeat that?

I have tole you over and over that the spirit is the one who helps us understand.

It does not mean we are made alive first

We ar dnot made alive UNTIL our sins are forgiven.. thats what scripture says.

You keep saying I misrepresent you. Yet you keep saying I do not believe the spirit helps us understand, which is a lie

 

[rogerg]

You dont care? Then why do you keep trying to get me to see it your way,?

Why? I am not trying to get you to see it my way. I just don't want other people to read your posts and think you're correct - they just might believe you.

 

[wattie]

OSAS .. does not equal calvinism .

That is the common misconception that if you don't believe salvation can be lossed.. then you are calvinist.

I agree with absolutely anyone being given eternal life by being convicted by the Holy Spirit and then believing in Jesus. That He is God.. that He lived sinless..that He died and rose again.. that by believing in Him they have eternal life. And this not being able to be undone.

Neither calvinist nor arminian.

 

[Underwhosewings]

I have repeatedly asked you to simply say, with a yes or no, if Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

Why would I even ask the question unless you posted that position without coming right out and saying it?


I'll ask again, Is Jesus Christ God Himself in the flesh. Give as long an answer as you like as long as the first word is a yes or no.

Yes, …..
John 1:1,14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[lvsl]

I think it this way, it's back to how one can either be secure or insecure about their own religion, especially when it is to God, and to Jesus. So when someone ask me about whether I am "saved" or not, then I will ask them how much will and faith they have inside them. But indeed, many people are easily swayed by the fact nothing is really as eternal as it seem to sound like.

But there are things we must remain true, and we must fight back no matter what the consequences are.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why? I am not trying to get you to see it my way. I just don't want other people to read your posts and think you're correct - they just might believe you.

I could say the same for you. But you do not see me saying that do you?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why? I am not trying to get you to see it my way. I just don't want other people to read your posts and think you're correct - they just might believe you.

do me a favor.

Jesus in John 3 declared to Nicodemus (and us) that we must be born again (regenerate)

He told him WHAT it means (that which is born of fle4sh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit)

but he also told him (and us) HOW to be born again.

can you please use John 3, and what Jesus said to Nicodemus (and us) HOW to be born again?

thank you.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

OSAS .. does not equal calvinism .

That is the common misconception that if you don't believe salvation can be lossed.. then you are calvinist.

I agree with absolutely anyone being given eternal life by being convicted by the Holy Spirit and then believing in Jesus. That He is God.. that He lived sinless..that He died and rose again.. that by believing in Him they have eternal life. And this not being able to be undone.

Neither calvinist nor arminian.

sadly that is the jist of the discussion. Everyone who believes in free will is an Armenian, Everyone who believes in OSAS must be calvinist.

there is no debate, just attack each other, and in the end, most people do not even know what the other believes

 

[cv5]

So preaching the gospel is useless, teaching is useless. The great commission isn't necessary.

Of course preaching is useful and necessary. The thing is....only His elect sheep have ears to hear it.

Jhn 8:43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Jhn 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


Jhn 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Jhn 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: