Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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teach chapter 3 to me? You keep ignoring it. I keep telling you what it says and your only response is I am wrong..
You think I need it taught to me? You have to understand it before you can teach it to someone else.. Someone who is so sure of what it says should easily be able to break it down for us..
Do you have an ounce of humility in you?
You think I need it taught to me? You have to understand it before you can teach it to someone else.. Someone who is so sure of what it says should easily be able to break it down for us..
Do you have an ounce of humility in you?
who did he chose. according to his foreknowledge?
What was the will of the father
John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
we see two aspects to the will of the Father
1. They are saved eternally. salvation can nover be lost
2. They are saved because they believe.. Just like jesus said in John 3. whoever believes...vs whoever does not believe...
Jesus tells them in John 6 they do nto see why? Because they do nto believe, not because they are dead
What was the will of the father
John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
we see two aspects to the will of the Father
1. They are saved eternally. salvation can nover be lost
2. They are saved because they believe.. Just like jesus said in John 3. whoever believes...vs whoever does not believe...
Jesus tells them in John 6 they do nto see why? Because they do nto believe, not because they are dead
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He is also perfect love..
its why he did not destroy us the moment we rebelled. His justice demanded a payment (death) his love found away (Grace)
you can't claim to be a god of perfect love, and then condemn millions of people without even giviung them the chance to repent.. and judging them because they did not repent.
that would be the best way to not only ensure there will be another revolt in heaven. But works in satans favor. as That is satans lie against him.. that is not all loving.
its why he did not destroy us the moment we rebelled. His justice demanded a payment (death) his love found away (Grace)
you can't claim to be a god of perfect love, and then condemn millions of people without even giviung them the chance to repent.. and judging them because they did not repent.
that would be the best way to not only ensure there will be another revolt in heaven. But works in satans favor. as That is satans lie against him.. that is not all loving.
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That's man's logic. The only repentance of value to God is in one's turning to Christ and believing/trusting in Him fully and completely as Saviour and in His completed perfect offering. Of himself, man can never produce that kind of repentance - God alone must give it, but it is only to the elect.
[2Ti 2:25 KJV]
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[2Ti 2:25 KJV]
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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