Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[BillG]

1 Timothy 3:16 - 4:1
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
The Great Apostasy
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

3:16 This verse contains an early hymn of the church. The hymn is three couplets.Manifested in the flesh refers to Christ’s incarnation, the fact that Jesus became man (see John 1:14).

 

[BillG]

1 Timothy 3:16
16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:
Christ was revealed in a human body
and vindicated by the Spirit.
He was seen by angels
and announced to the nations.
He was believed in throughout the world
and taken to heaven in glory.

 

[RaceRunner]

which Church?

In your question the Church is singular.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

In your question the Church is singular.

because i know your circular logic. tell me which Church is the House of the Living God?

 

[RaceRunner]

because i know your circular logic. tell me which Church is the House of the Living God?

Jesus founded a church, only one church, which operated without Bibles for 1500 years. Therefore, the Church came first. This Church is called the Church of Jesus Christ.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus founded a church, only one church, which operated without Bibles for 1500 years. Therefore, the Church came first. This Church is called the Church of Jesus Christ.

this is WHO the Church belongs to?

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.

aka: Jesus the Christ!

 

[RaceRunner]

this is WHO the Church belongs to?

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.

aka: Jesus the Christ!

16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it [Matthew 16:18] 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

 

[BillG]

Jesus founded a church, only one church, which operated without Bibles for 1500 years. Therefore, the Church came first. This Church is called the Church of Jesus Christ.

Sorry but I'm confused.

Are you a member of church of Christ?

Are you saying that there was no scripture in the early church for the 1500 years?

If so what did it have to learn about Christ?
You have quoted that you have the holy bible.
Why do you use it given your above quote?

Does your Bible have in it?

1 Timothy 3:16
16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:
Christ was revealed in a human body
and vindicated by the Spirit.
He was seen by angels
and announced to the nations.
He was believed in throughout the world
and taken to heaven in glory.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

this is WHO the Church belongs to?

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.

aka: Jesus the Christ!

yes or no?

 

[BillG]

16:16 The Spirit of grace revealed to Peter the true identity of the Lord Jesus. Son of the living God refers to Jesus’ deity. Several factors point to this conclusion: (1) He was born of a virgin (1:18–20); (2) He was called Immanuel, meaning “God with us” (1:23); (3) the title in Greek is emphatic: “the Son of the God, the living One”; and (4) later passages describe Christ as God (see John 20:27–29).

16:17 has not revealed: People do not come to faith in Jesus Christ by scrutiny or searching, but by the Father’s revelation of the Son to them (see John 6:65).
16:18 The words I will build My church indicate that the church had not yet been started. Obviously the disciples did not at this point understand the doctrine of the NT church with its equality of Jew and Gentile (see Eph. 2:11-3:7). They simply understood it to be the Lord’s followers. the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it:Jesus may have been saying simply that death would not vanquish the church. One day, by the power of Christ’s resurrection, the church and all the redeemed will be resurrected. Others suggest that the phrase means that the forces of evil will not be able to conquer the people of God.


16:19 You in this passage is singular. The keys of the kingdom may refer to Peter’s opening the kingdom to various groups of people (Jews in Acts 2; 3; Samaritans in Acts 8:14–17; Gentiles in Acts 10). The keys would open doors to lost people. However, this term may have further significance. The keys seem to be explained by the binding and loosing discussed in the last part of the verse. In rabbinical literature, binding andloosing refers to what was permitted or not permitted. So this passage may refer to judgments that Peter would make about what would be permitted or forbidden in the church, the body of believers.
16:20 Because the public did not understand the concept of the suffering Messiah, they were not to be told that He was Jesus the Christ. Furthermore, the nation had already turned away from Christ. They had crossed the point of no return.

 

[TheLearner]

not keeping up

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

He (or she? RaceRunner) is saying Jesus is not the ground of truth.

Jesus is the church.. Its sad how people are always wanting to take Jesus out of the church

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus is the church.. Its sad how people are always wanting to take Jesus out of the church

We need to stick with what is revealed in Scripture. Jesus is NOT the Church but the Head of the Church (capitalized). The Church is His Body, and every child of God is within that Body. No one can take Christ out of the Church. But it is possible for Him to be shut out of individual local churches, such as the church at Laodicea.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We need to stick with what is revealed in Scripture. Jesus is NOT the Church but the Head of the Church (capitalized). The Church is His Body, and every child of God is within that Body. No one can take Christ out of the Church. But it is possible for Him to be shut out of individual local churches, such as the church at Laodicea.

If the church is his body, it is him.

so yes. lets stick with what is revealed in scripture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If the church is his body, it is him.

Do you know vast the difference between the Head and the rest of the Body?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We need to stick with what is revealed in Scripture. Jesus is NOT the Church but the Head of the Church (capitalized). The Church is His Body, and every child of God is within that Body. No one can take Christ out of the Church. But it is possible for Him to be shut out of individual local churches, such as the church at Laodicea.

Do you know vast the difference between the Head and the rest of the Body?

do you know the difference between the church IS his body. and he is just the head of the body?

 

[Underwhosewings]

Matthew 25:29-30 KJV
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
[30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[brightfame52]

Matthew 25:29-30 KJV
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
[30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Thats specifically referring to the jews of Christs day, who had the privilege of the law and the oracles of God, but for the most part they were reprobate and rejected of God.

It applies today to false christians and religions, they were never saved to begin with, they were always in the purpose of God vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction.

 

[ZNP]

Thats specifically referring to the jews of Christs day, who had the privilege of the law and the oracles of God, but for the most part they were reprobate and rejected of God.

It applies today to false christians and religions, they were never saved to begin with, they were always in the purpose of God vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction.

So then, how do you know who was never saved to begin with? They are servants of the Lord, they call Him Lord, they are in the house, the church.

 

[cv5]

1 Timothy 3:16
16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:

Better stated as:

1Ti 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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