FreeGrace2 said:
To be clear, Jesus Christ paid the full sin debt on the cross for everyone in the human race.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
So, no one will be sent to the LOF on the basis of their sins!
Well I bet that makes Stalin, and Hitler and Pol Pot feel good, but it is false and unbiblical.
Well, thanks for failing to read further. Those who did read that unbelievers will GO to the LOF. No "feel good" here.
FreeGrace2 said:
So, what is the basis of being sent to the LOF then?
GWT judgment is for unbelievers only: Rev 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
I find this a confusing mash of ideas. There are works that are sinful. I have no idea what you mean by dividing between sin and works.
I'm sorry the Bible is confusing to you, but v.15 is explicit about WHY unbelievers go to the LOF. They never received the gift of eternal life. However, each unbeliever will be evaluated or judged according to their works, for determining how "tolerable/bearable" it will be for them IN the LOF. Is that confusing to you?
In Matt 10:15 Jesus made a clear statement about the fact that it will be "more bearable/tolerable" for some than for others.
Adultery can be seen as a "work of the flesh" but also it is clearly defined in the ten commandments as sin. So I don't see any benefit in saying that no one is sent to the LOF for sins.
Well, that's because you are confused. How can anyone be sent to the LOF for sins since jesus paid the full debt for all sins?
I also quotee 2 Cor 5:19. Was that confusing too?
Yes, Jesus blood has the power to cleanse every person's sin regardless how heinous and how horrible, but you have to receive it.
Do you have a verse that says this? I say you don't. This is your opinion, or the opinion of your pastor, but the Bible does NOT say that..
2 Cor 5:19 refutes that opinion.
Just because I have laundry detergent that will clean my clothes I still have to wash them in it.
What does yyour dirty clothes have to do with your sins? Nothing.
Jesus has made His blood available, free of charge, to all people.
You are still confused. Jesus makes SALVATION available to all people. Why? Because He died for all sins.
But not all will receive it, not all will humble themselves to be washed in the blood.
What is received is eternal life, the basis foir NOT going to the LOF (Rev 20:15), and WAY to receive the gift is believing in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
The Bible is clear about works of the flesh and the sinful lifestyles that we will not see in the Kingdom of the heavens.
Do you know why this is?
There is no need to come up with all kinds of confusing non biblical and extra biblical teachings.
Actually, it is your opinions that are non biblical and confusing. I have given verses. You haven't.
This is one example of the clear word of God
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Did you read the whole context, or just this one verse?
Well, let's do then.
1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children
2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
In v.3 Paul admonishes BELIEVERS to avoid immorality, impurity, and greed. Why? Because these are IMPROPER for God's people.
Then Paul continues in v.4 with more things believers should avoid.
So v.5 is ALSO about believers. And notice Paul repeats the SAME 3 things from v.3: immorality, impurity and greed.
So what Paul is teaching is that believers who engage in these things, which are IMPROPER for believers, will have NO inheritance IN the kingdom.
What Paul DIDN'T say was that believers who do these things will NOT ENTER the kingdom, which unfortunately too many believers are confused about that as well.