FreeGrace2 said:Why did you stop at v.13? Because v.14 REFUTES your unbiblical claim.
v.14 - who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Apparently you don't believe this verse either. So, why is the "deposit"? The Holy Spirit IN the believer.
What is this "deposit" for? GUARANTEEING OUR INHERITANCE.
How long is this inheritance? "until the REDEMPTION OF THOSE WHO ARE GOD'S POSSESSION.
So, who are God's possession? Those who "having believed" (v.13) [notice the past tense] have been sealed with the Holy Spirit, who GUARANTEES their inheritance until the "redemption", meaing the resurrection.
When YOU read both verses, you should realize that your view of v.13 is WRONG.
The ONLY proof of this being true would be a verse that plainly explains that losing faith means losing our sealing. And you don't have any such verses. Just your opinion.
You don't even understand v.13, nor the clear implications of v.14.
Based on what v.13 teaches, consider these verses:
Eph 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Even idiot believers who GRIEVE the Holy Spirit (nothing about "breaking the seal" nonsense) are STILL sealed for the day of redemption. Not even close to the idea of losing salvation.
2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Now, could you please explain what Paul meant by "guaranteeing what is to come" in these 2 verses.
There is no guarantee of Verse 14 UNTIL we make a CHOICE to Trust God in Verse 13.
Of course. v.13 says "having believed". That's who are sealed with the Holy Spirit. So the guarantee in v.14 is for those "having believed".
These Verses show we have the Free Will to CHOOSE.
Yes.
No one trusts without WANTING to do so.
Yes. What is your point?
Since we have the decision to make to Trust then we also can choose to not trust.
I suppose you think a choice to no longer believe releases Jesus' promise about those He gives eternal life??? Why? Prove it with Scripture, not your opinion.
This Verse is so plainly written we don't need to be reminded we can choose not to trust because we are instructed we must trust to first be Saved.
Of course it is very clear. Those who "have believed" ARE sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit that guarantees the believer's inheritance.
The logic is right there in black and white.
Not your fuzzy logic.
You didn't answer my question regarding 2 Cor 1:21 and 5:5. Do you have an answer?
2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.
Now, could you please explain what Paul meant by "guaranteeing what is to come" in these 2 verses.