Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Mat 26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
Mat 26:16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Mat 26:16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
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You're not a bot are you?
I just showed you what the Bible, and Jesus Himself said about him!
Matthew 26:24
New King James Version
24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
I just showed you what the Bible, and Jesus Himself said about him!
Matthew 26:24
New King James Version
24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
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I read the verse you posted and it says Judas is a betrayer, not an unbeliever. Those aren’t the same things. Peter denied Jesus three times, isn’t that betrayal, too? Yes, However, Peter was also a believer. Being a betrayer and a believer are not incompatible.
Speaking of verses, I also showed you where Jesus said to the disciples that, having left their homes and families, they’d receive eternal life. Judas did that very thing:
Matthew 19:28-30
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife e or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
Additionally, in John 6, Peter referred to himself and the other 11 disciples as those who believe in Jesus as the Holy One of God. Since Peter knew Judas personally, I’m going to have to take his word for it as more weightier than other opinions:
John 6:68,69
68Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
Speaking of verses, I also showed you where Jesus said to the disciples that, having left their homes and families, they’d receive eternal life. Judas did that very thing:
Matthew 19:28-30
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife e or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
Additionally, in John 6, Peter referred to himself and the other 11 disciples as those who believe in Jesus as the Holy One of God. Since Peter knew Judas personally, I’m going to have to take his word for it as more weightier than other opinions:
John 6:68,69
68Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
PennEd said:
You're not a bot are you?
I just showed you what the Bible, and Jesus Himself said about him!
Matthew 26:24
New King James Version
24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
You certainly have a knack for ignoring important parts of verses. Matt 26:24 says a lot MORE than what you noted. How could it be said that "it would have been good for that man if he HAD NOT BEEN born". Good heavens, man. Read the WHOLE verse.
But then, you left out "and they shall never perish" when you attempted to comment on John 10:28. Yeah. Just leave out any part that refutes your theories.
You're not a bot are you?
I just showed you what the Bible, and Jesus Himself said about him!
Matthew 26:24
New King James Version
24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
You certainly have a knack for ignoring important parts of verses. Matt 26:24 says a lot MORE than what you noted. How could it be said that "it would have been good for that man if he HAD NOT BEEN born". Good heavens, man. Read the WHOLE verse.
But then, you left out "and they shall never perish" when you attempted to comment on John 10:28. Yeah. Just leave out any part that refutes your theories.
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What did Jesus mean by “it would be better for him if he had not been born?” That doesn’t refute anything I had just quoted from the Bible.
Believers will never perish. If i understand you correctly, you believe those who stop believing have eternal life too. Sorry, but that theory isn’t found in scripture.
Believers will never perish. If i understand you correctly, you believe those who stop believing have eternal life too. Sorry, but that theory isn’t found in scripture.
Beckie said:
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Beckie's point was that John included unbelief with betrayal. But you are free to ignore that.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Beckie's point was that John included unbelief with betrayal. But you are free to ignore that.
FreeGrace2 said:
Hilarious claim since you flatly reject what Jesus SAID about believing and never perishing.
No lie. Of course you don't believe what Jesus said in John 5:24; that when a person becomes a believer they possess eternal life, and then in John 10:28 Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
You KNOW you don't believe any of that. Everyone has seen your posts and claims.
I said:
Those who believe are given eternal life.
Those given eternal life shall never perish.
If you really did, you would easily believe in eternal security.
Rather, you have a severe inability to connect the obvious dots. When Jesus gives believers, it is WHEN they believe, as John 5:24 very clearly says. Then, in 10:28, Jesus said those He gives eternal life, which are believers only, shall never perish.
So, from the MOMENT one believes, they POSSESS eternal life and shall never perish.
Which you don't believe. And have said so repeatedly.
Hilarious claim since you flatly reject what Jesus SAID about believing and never perishing.
No lie. Of course you don't believe what Jesus said in John 5:24; that when a person becomes a believer they possess eternal life, and then in John 10:28 Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
You KNOW you don't believe any of that. Everyone has seen your posts and claims.
I said:
Those who believe are given eternal life.
Those given eternal life shall never perish.
If you really did, you would easily believe in eternal security.
Rather, you have a severe inability to connect the obvious dots. When Jesus gives believers, it is WHEN they believe, as John 5:24 very clearly says. Then, in 10:28, Jesus said those He gives eternal life, which are believers only, shall never perish.
So, from the MOMENT one believes, they POSSESS eternal life and shall never perish.
Which you don't believe. And have said so repeatedly.
Believers are recipients of eternal life, which is WHEN they believe and become believers.
What verse says in plain language that eternal life can be removed, revoked, etc.
Both John 3:18 and 2 Thess 2:12 say that condemnation is for those who "have not believed".
If you don't understand that "have not believed" means "have NEVER believed", you are having a very difficult time comprehending very plain language.
What verse says in plain language that eternal life can be removed, revoked, etc.
Both John 3:18 and 2 Thess 2:12 say that condemnation is for those who "have not believed".
If you don't understand that "have not believed" means "have NEVER believed", you are having a very difficult time comprehending very plain language.