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So Jesus blood has no power at all. If it can only save us once?
Jesus died 2000 years ago. Can you explain how Jesus knew what sin to die for in your behalf. Think about it, he would have to know
1. The date you believed
2. The sins you committed before that date
3. have them set aside so hge could take the punishment for them.
No, thats not true, It is as you said,
He paid for them once and for all time, Meaning all sin you ever commited are commiting and will commit, He paid the price for them 2000 years ago. every sin you will ever commit from birth to death was future to him.. He died for them all.
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Then we can not have confidence, Since all of us sin, We can not know, if obedience is required, what the cut off is, How many sins do we commit when God says enough is enough? The law says perfection is Gods requirement, So is that what I have to do? How can I know?
There is no confidence in legalism.
Paul says God loves us even in our faithless moments,
2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
God gave us a gift based on his work, His promise, His faithfulness, Not ours. Of God would take out gift away in a moment we are faithless, God denys himself
remember the man who wanted his child healed. God said do you believe, The man said, Yeah lord I believe, but help me with my unbelief (faithlessness)
Jesus healed his child in spite of his lack of faith.
Jesus pleads with us to deny self and trust him, Only then can we enter his rest. I beg of you sis, Trust Jesus, and stop trusting yourself.
Let me ask you a question.
How do we receive Salvation?
Salvation is received by the workings of God. If we have received Salvation by everything God has done then how can we lose our Salvation? The better question is "has this person ever received Salvation?"
There are many people who have never received Salvation and its these people who believe you can lose your Salvation!
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
How do we receive Salvation?
Salvation is received by the workings of God. If we have received Salvation by everything God has done then how can we lose our Salvation? The better question is "has this person ever received Salvation?"
There are many people who have never received Salvation and its these people who believe you can lose your Salvation!
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
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"For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off." Psa 37:28
Sounds similar to:
"Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Heb 13:5
And we know God keeps all His promises! If He even broke just one promise, He would be a liar! But the Word is such a comfort:
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" Titus 1:2
Sounds similar to:
"Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Heb 13:5
And we know God keeps all His promises! If He even broke just one promise, He would be a liar! But the Word is such a comfort:
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" Titus 1:2
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I love that passage with this one.
Matthew 7:221-3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
many people will stand before God with all their good deeds and works, expectng God to save them (they do not believe in eternal security, But in a salbation which is earned by works, ) Jesus will say depart, I never knew you.
The lord KNOWS WHO ARE HIS, He did not know these people. because they rejected his grace and tried to replace it with works.
And why is the nevertheless there? It is pointing back to the previous verses.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
There were some who had their faith overthrown because of false teachers, nevertheless, the Lord knows who are his, not even these believers who fell under false teachers are saved. Why? Because they had the seal of the Holy Spirit. Even though they have been fooled, their foundation, Jesus Christ, remains sure.
When the Lord looks down upon the 8 billion people on earth, He knows those who are His by His seal, the Holy Spirit, not by how they are working for Him.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
There were some who had their faith overthrown because of false teachers, nevertheless, the Lord knows who are his, not even these believers who fell under false teachers are saved. Why? Because they had the seal of the Holy Spirit. Even though they have been fooled, their foundation, Jesus Christ, remains sure.
When the Lord looks down upon the 8 billion people on earth, He knows those who are His by His seal, the Holy Spirit, not by how they are working for Him.
Sorry, not according to Scripture.
Ephesians 4:30, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
What's the seal? The Holy Spirit of God.
The "And" in 2 Timothy 2:19 is a command to all believers that we depart from iniquity even though we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God for the day of redemption. Let all believers never take for granted the sealing of the Holy Spirit. We should all strive to depart from iniquity. But Paul is clear departing from iniquity is not the seal that one is saved or not saved.
Ephesians 4:30, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
What's the seal? The Holy Spirit of God.
The "And" in 2 Timothy 2:19 is a command to all believers that we depart from iniquity even though we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God for the day of redemption. Let all believers never take for granted the sealing of the Holy Spirit. We should all strive to depart from iniquity. But Paul is clear departing from iniquity is not the seal that one is saved or not saved.
It strikes me people have redefined what walking in the flesh actually is.
Their concept is the flesh means anything centred on the person rather than on Jesus.
What Paul and the apostles meant was the lusts of the flesh, sexual desire, gluttony, covetousness etc.
It then gets confusing when people say walking in the flesh to mean going to the church because you want to, rather than God called you. In their eyes it is sinful to do things this way, and certain members will condemn christians for doing good things because they think they are a good idea and not because the Holy Spirit individually commanded them to do it.
Their view of salvation is mystical and transcendant rather than Jesus saying, if you obey my commands, I will show myself to you. This implies walking in the ways of Jesus is the first step to following Him, rather than a superspiritual experience is the most important issue.
Once you become so spiritually minded, born from on high into eternity, how could you be unmade as a new creation.
But if the reality is more closer to being like a ghost as a human, and as we walk with Christ we become more real, this gives a different picture.
It is not surprising that these different models result in different theology. What is surprising is the condemnation and animosity and pure slagging off as following satan and having evil spirits, which sounds very superstitious. It is no surprise then these groups often talk about territorial spirits, and christians can be possessed, and the church needs to discern the Jezebel spirit etc. I had one person claiming a lot of churches were led by possessed people.
Now if these groups seem to have a lot of experience of demon possession it might suggest they have some serious theological problems, issues with purity, and the Holy Spirit, and a lack of discernment. But they are always very keen to condemn everyone who takes a different view, even if it is literally just another point of view with no spiritual implications.
I therefore do not hold much weight to their convictions about OSAS as the fruit of the authority is thorns and brambles.
Their concept is the flesh means anything centred on the person rather than on Jesus.
What Paul and the apostles meant was the lusts of the flesh, sexual desire, gluttony, covetousness etc.
It then gets confusing when people say walking in the flesh to mean going to the church because you want to, rather than God called you. In their eyes it is sinful to do things this way, and certain members will condemn christians for doing good things because they think they are a good idea and not because the Holy Spirit individually commanded them to do it.
Their view of salvation is mystical and transcendant rather than Jesus saying, if you obey my commands, I will show myself to you. This implies walking in the ways of Jesus is the first step to following Him, rather than a superspiritual experience is the most important issue.
Once you become so spiritually minded, born from on high into eternity, how could you be unmade as a new creation.
But if the reality is more closer to being like a ghost as a human, and as we walk with Christ we become more real, this gives a different picture.
It is not surprising that these different models result in different theology. What is surprising is the condemnation and animosity and pure slagging off as following satan and having evil spirits, which sounds very superstitious. It is no surprise then these groups often talk about territorial spirits, and christians can be possessed, and the church needs to discern the Jezebel spirit etc. I had one person claiming a lot of churches were led by possessed people.
Now if these groups seem to have a lot of experience of demon possession it might suggest they have some serious theological problems, issues with purity, and the Holy Spirit, and a lack of discernment. But they are always very keen to condemn everyone who takes a different view, even if it is literally just another point of view with no spiritual implications.
I therefore do not hold much weight to their convictions about OSAS as the fruit of the authority is thorns and brambles.
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Because those people think they are kept by themselves, and not God when the Bible speaks to the contrary(1 Pet 1:5). They don't believe the blood of Jesus is powerful enough to completely save them. The faith has to be in the blood as my signature has been saying for quite some time now! The fact that these people don't mention the blood when discussing salvation or they add to the blood for salvation is proof they aren't trusting in the blood of Christ! Without the blood we would be hopelessly lost!
EG, posted an excellent commentary in post #346 about the times when Christians have faithless moments. Even in those situations God is faithful! The Bible says:
"For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." Pro 24:16
It doesn't say the just man falleth and loses salvation! But the Lord gives him the strength to rise up again!
"Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand." Psa 37:24
EG, posted an excellent commentary in post #346 about the times when Christians have faithless moments. Even in those situations God is faithful! The Bible says:
"For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." Pro 24:16
It doesn't say the just man falleth and loses salvation! But the Lord gives him the strength to rise up again!
"Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand." Psa 37:24
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Flesh, In the greek, Sarx. Meaning body or self.
when scripture talks of walking in the flesh. The greek literally means walking ina way to satisfy fleshly (sarx, self) desires.
the problem wiht religion is it changes the meaning of words so it can seem more religious. but is just a way to help people to excuse their own sin. as not sin.
when scripture talks of walking in the flesh. The greek literally means walking ina way to satisfy fleshly (sarx, self) desires.
the problem wiht religion is it changes the meaning of words so it can seem more religious. but is just a way to help people to excuse their own sin. as not sin.