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eternally-gratefull
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That's why we can have rest ad stop working. Because our savior already walked on water, Raised the dead, and himself rose from the dead.
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That's why we can have rest ad stop working. Because our savior already walked on water, Raised the dead, and himself rose from the dead.
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matt11111
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Nobody is saved yet from the PRESENCE of sin (Glorification); but believers have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (Justification - Ephesians 2:8; Romans 5:1).
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Aston
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Once Saved Always Saved is Absolutely a LIE. Jesus blood has the power to wash our sins once and for all. Note carefully the word "once", it's once, and not twice or more. Consider these verses carefully. John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. The warning of go and sin no more means that after our sins are forgiven and washed away by tge bllod if Jwsus Christ, we still have the ability to sin again so we do not have to go back to our sins when they are washed away, why? And what happens when we sin again after being forgiven? That's after being saved. Hebrews 10:4, 10, 17-18, 26-27 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Our sins are washed away once and we are sanctified and made righteous after a serious repentance a a faithful turning to God. Then we become saved. But even though we bwcome saved there are still chances and possibilities that we can sin again and loose our salvation and our crown that's why in Revelation we are told to hold fast our crown so that we don't loose it
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Our sins are washed away once and we are sanctified and made righteous after a serious repentance a a faithful turning to God. Then we become saved. But even though we bwcome saved there are still chances and possibilities that we can sin again and loose our salvation and our crown that's why in Revelation we are told to hold fast our crown so that we don't loose it
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PurerInHeart
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Only those who put effort into obeying God will reap the benefits of Christ dying on the cross. Yes grace is a gift, but God only gives that gift to those who actively try to obey Him. You are correct in saying that everyone sins, so what then is the difference between the righteous and the unrighteous? The saved and not saved? Doing what's right, for the most part. There is a difference between visiting sin and living in sin. The bible says not to be deceived, those who LIVE in sin will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus says not everyone who calls Him Lord (who is convinced they are saved) will enter heaven. But ONLY those who obey (continuous effort) His Father in heaven. Paul, in a saved state, said that even he could be disqualified for the prize if he didn't stay in submission. The bible clearly speaks of those once did saved, knowing God and the truth, and leaving, and how they cannot come back to being saved. You can choose to lose your salvation. It is possible to be disqualified even if you were once saved.
This is the truth, it would not be loving or kind of me to say that once you are saved that you can kick up your feet and relax the rest of your life without putting forth effort to obey God. Jesus said we must take up our cross and follow Him DAILY- that does not match relaxing and no effort. He says each one of us must work out our salvation with fear and trembling. When it comes to judgement day, as far as it depends on me, you will not be able to say, "Why didn't PurerInHeart warn me with the truth that OSAS was a doctrine of man and not of God?" "Why didn't she show me that it does not match what the bible says?" I don't wish to argue with you, or to win an award for being right, I care that you are a precious soul that my Father created, and I wish so much for you to be saved from His coming wrath, I wish that for everyone, cause I care.
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roaringkitten
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Romans chapter 5:
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1-2
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1-2
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Chuckt
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It means "once" for "all". I suppose the "all" means "all" sin (past, present, future).
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If it was once then God couldn't say:
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If I confess today, that is one sin and if I confess tomorrow that is two sins. Circle the word "all" in 1 John 1:9. He cleanses me from ALL unrighteousness.
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Chuckt
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Sorry but it is a FREE gift. Free gifts are not earned.
Romams 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The Bible was translated literally so much that it is wooden and the word actually means "to listen".
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PurerInHeart
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Chuckt
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The Bible teaches Biblical assurance and I can post something when everyone is in bed because I have to wait 30 seconds or more between posts and I don't want people interrupting my posting process of multiple posts.
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Chuckt
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King David was an adulterer.
1 Samuel 13:14 But now your kingdom will not endure; the LORD has sought out a man after his own heart and appointed him ruler of his people, because you have not kept the LORD's command."
2 Samuel 7:16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.'"
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PurerInHeart
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Yes we can have confidence in our salvation if we obey God. If we are faithful to Him, He will be faithful to continue cleansing us from all unrighteousness, if we confess our sins and have fellowship with Him.
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Chuckt
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Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
The fact that Jesus "ever" liveth to make intercession for us. The word "ever" means:
Ta. Da.
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It means that Jesus is always pleading our case before the Father because you can't lose your salvation.
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Chuckt
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thepsalmist
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2 Timothy 2:19
#1: Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.
And,
#2: Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
#1: Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.
And,
#2: Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
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bikerchaz
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I see where most are coming from, yes Jesus died once and for all, this is fact, but we do not become automatons of Godliness. We have to pick up our cross daily, We have to do, i.e. pick up.
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
[SUP]Hebrews 10
36 [/SUP]You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. [SUP]37 [/SUP]For,
“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And,
“But my righteous[SUP][g][/SUP] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Yes we have the Holy Spirit, but it is for me a real battle. The darkness I came from lays a heavy burden on me, if it were not For Jesus taking that burden and helping me carry that yoke with His Spirit, I am very conscious I would fail in an instant. I am very thankful He is faithful.
(plagiarism accepted)
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
[SUP]Hebrews 10
36 [/SUP]You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. [SUP]37 [/SUP]For,
“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And,
“But my righteous[SUP][g][/SUP] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Yes we have the Holy Spirit, but it is for me a real battle. The darkness I came from lays a heavy burden on me, if it were not For Jesus taking that burden and helping me carry that yoke with His Spirit, I am very conscious I would fail in an instant. I am very thankful He is faithful.
(plagiarism accepted)
Amen! Notice that in 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul said - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? The unrighteous are unbelievers who have not received the forgiveness of sins, so such people have not been washed, sanctified or justified.
In Galatians 5:19, Paul said - Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In 1 John 3:9, John said - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I had a strange thought. Those who are saved are always saved and those who are lost are always lost.
What is open to question is simply how.
God fore knows before the beginning of time who are His and who are not. We are born sheep and goats. But it is not our gift to discern who are and who are not, because as God equally blesses all so should we. On a purely extreme view of this there is no point evangelising because the saved will be saved and the lost lost. In part I agree with this.
cc may well be a testimony to this reality with some having the most fixed ideas about faith and telling everyone else how lost they are because they do not follow the same view.
One thing that always struck me about Jesus is people did not say, "hey here is God" rather it was here is someone who speaks with authority, or just points out that which is true. In the battle for peoples minds and hearts God sows a seed and sees its fruit appearing. Evil cannot take it away because evil in the end is an illusion, an action or idea which when looked at disappears like the mist.
What cc has taught me is the outer wrapping of faith does not mean the heart is clean or people are aware of what honesty, purity and love really are. If you go into a nursery and see kids playing you see human nature at work, its simplicity and how it works out. That is how Jesus wants us to be, simple, straightforward and honest.
Now if in your heart questions are raised about this, then unfortunately it shows you have some serious issues before the Lord that need dealing with. This is what being like children is all about. It is what the "religious" hate, what those who want elaborate self justification reasons of faith, or superiority, or pride etc. And I know some of you will accuse me of this very thing, when all I am sharing is simple realities of life and spirituality.
What is open to question is simply how.
God fore knows before the beginning of time who are His and who are not. We are born sheep and goats. But it is not our gift to discern who are and who are not, because as God equally blesses all so should we. On a purely extreme view of this there is no point evangelising because the saved will be saved and the lost lost. In part I agree with this.
cc may well be a testimony to this reality with some having the most fixed ideas about faith and telling everyone else how lost they are because they do not follow the same view.
One thing that always struck me about Jesus is people did not say, "hey here is God" rather it was here is someone who speaks with authority, or just points out that which is true. In the battle for peoples minds and hearts God sows a seed and sees its fruit appearing. Evil cannot take it away because evil in the end is an illusion, an action or idea which when looked at disappears like the mist.
What cc has taught me is the outer wrapping of faith does not mean the heart is clean or people are aware of what honesty, purity and love really are. If you go into a nursery and see kids playing you see human nature at work, its simplicity and how it works out. That is how Jesus wants us to be, simple, straightforward and honest.
Now if in your heart questions are raised about this, then unfortunately it shows you have some serious issues before the Lord that need dealing with. This is what being like children is all about. It is what the "religious" hate, what those who want elaborate self justification reasons of faith, or superiority, or pride etc. And I know some of you will accuse me of this very thing, when all I am sharing is simple realities of life and spirituality.