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Wansvic

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truth, thank you, yet this is not water Baptism, it is the symbol of Spirit Baptism, as John was clear, when he said
'I" must decrease, He, Jesus the Messiah, will increase
John's only Job was to Water Baptize Jesus and all to see the Messiah had arrived. John's job done once this got announced
Time to move on to maturity, if god will permit this for you and others too.
Scripture records what happens to those who "move on" without ever laying the foundation God commanded. (Matt. 7:21-27, Luke 6:48-49)
 

homwardbound

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Scripture records what happens to those who "move on" without ever laying the foundation God commanded. (Matt. 7:21-27, Luke 6:48-49)
Okay, I see to disagree with you. I hope the best for you, and all others too
He called for to free us from under Law(s) To choose freely to do or not
Love to you
 

Burn1986

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Scripture records what happens to those who "move on" without ever laying the foundation God commanded. (Matt. 7:21-27, Luke 6:48-49)
Big words award - “Scripture records… God commanded.”
 

homwardbound

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Big words award - “Scripture records… God commanded.”
So, you better or else?????????????????????????????? Cause God says God loves you 1 Cor 13:4-7 and you are saying not so. cause God will get you if you don't, that is what I get from your words, God is a tyrant, not so, nor is God a fluffy bunny either. God id truth 100% truth in love to us all
That is under Law and under Law there is no freedom, but worrying over things, that God says to not worry.
And asks will worry add to your life? ( Matt 6)

Worry is the thief, that steals, kills and destroys people in belief (John 10:10a), wanting to be right with Father and Son.
Get put under Law, the have to and the better or else attitude is the killer. On the other side of that sword is not care at all. A double edged sword and God is sharper that any double edged sword
See Psalms 1 about upholding Law, delighting in God's law. It is not a have to, it is a choose to, thank you

God is able, and did it through Son for us the people to get given new life in his risen Life for us to stand in as reconciled, even if sin again, which all that have chosen belief or not, to see have sinned again. See what we need a savior? as forgiven (2 Cor 5:17-20) to be able to get justified in God through Son for us,
Amazing Grace, the good news of God, still here forever from God in love to us too love back willingly in response. Not have to. I needed life, and asked God form it, might be we all need that, you choose, I have.
Before the cross we had to love to get loved, had to forgive to get forgiven
After the Cross, I see to love because I am loved by God, I see to forgive, because I am forgiven by God, Everyone else is also
( 1 John 2:1-4, 12)
Time to repent, change the mind set to see from God's view through Son to you in being reconciled and be thankful, not taking it for granted.
 

Burn1986

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So, you better or else?????????????????????????????? Cause God says God loves you 1 Cor 13:4-7 and you are saying not so. cause God will get you if you don't, that is what I get from your words, God is a tyrant, not so, nor is God a fluffy bunny either. God id truth 100% truth in love to us all
That is under Law and under Law there is no freedom, but worrying over things, that God says to not worry.
And asks will worry add to your life? ( Matt 6)

Worry is the thief, that steals, kills and destroys people in belief (John 10:10a), wanting to be right with Father and Son.
Get put under Law, the have to and the better or else attitude is the killer. On the other side of that sword is not care at all. A double edged sword and God is sharper that any double edged sword
See Psalms 1 about upholding Law, delighting in God's law. It is not a have to, it is a choose to, thank you

God is able, and did it through Son for us the people to get given new life in his risen Life for us to stand in as reconciled, even if sin again, which all that have chosen belief or not, to see have sinned again. See what we need a savior? as forgiven (2 Cor 5:17-20) to be able to get justified in God through Son for us,
Amazing Grace, the good news of God, still here forever from God in love to us too love back willingly in response. Not have to. I needed life, and asked God form it, might be we all need that, you choose, I have.
Before the cross we had to love to get loved, had to forgive to get forgiven
After the Cross, I see to love because I am loved by God, I see to forgive, because I am forgiven by God, Everyone else is also
( 1 John 2:1-4, 12)
Time to repent, change the mind set to see from God's view through Son to you in being reconciled and be thankful, not taking it for granted.
It usually takes God opening our eyes, like the two on the road to Emmaus Lk 13:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

They did not recognize Him until their eyes were opened.
 

Wansvic

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Okay, you go, am I, saved in your thought(s) according to you, am I saved by your Church teachings?
Just asking not fighting.
I have not gotten water Baptized in your Church affiliation. Can I ask what affiliation are you of, which Church belief are you following?
God has Baptized me in God's risen Son for me
Thanks
I have no problem sharing what church I attend. However, first, with all due respect, one's church affiliation should never factor into whether or not to accept something. The word is what matters. We are told to earnestly seek out the common salvation first given to the apostles. (Jude 3)

The apostles first message to believers in Jesus was to repent and submit to water baptism to receive remission of their personal sin. (Acts 2:4-42 , Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 22:16) So there is no denying that those who have not been water baptized in name of Jesus still carry the stain of sin. This is why Peter commanded those who had already received the Holy Spirit to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus. This account reveals that you must obey the same command to take hold of what Jesus died to provide.

The word also reveals those who have repented and submitted to water baptism, yet have not been indwelt by the Holy Spirit need to ask the heavenly Father in order to receive.

I personally attend an Apostolic Pentecostal church that adheres to these teachings from the word of God.

It is important to remember what Jesus said. Those who reject me, and receive not my words will be judged by the word. (John 12:48)
 

Sipsey

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I have no problem sharing what church I attend. However, first, with all due respect, one's church affiliation should never factor into whether or not to accept something. The word is what matters. We are told to earnestly seek out the common salvation first given to the apostles. (Jude 3)

The apostles first message to believers in Jesus was to repent and submit to water baptism to receive remission of their personal sin. (Acts 2:4-42 , Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 22:16) So there is no denying that those who have not been water baptized in name of Jesus still carry the stain of sin. This is why Peter commanded those who had already received the Holy Spirit to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus. This account reveals that you must obey the same command to take hold of what Jesus died to provide.

The word also reveals those who have repented and submitted to water baptism, yet have not been indwelt by the Holy Spirit need to ask the heavenly Father in order to receive.

I personally attend an Apostolic Pentecostal church that adheres to these teachings from the word of God.

It is important to remember what Jesus said. Those who reject me, and receive not my words will be judged by the word. (John 12:48)
Luke 3:3-6. John's message was a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. John's baptism was associated with repentance, that is, it outwardly pictured an inner change of heart. The word “for” (eis) refers back to the whole “baptism of repentance.” The baptism did not save anyone, as is clear from what follows (vv. 7-14). Repentance was “unto” (lit. rendering of eis; cf. comments on Ac 2:38) or resulted in sins forgiven. Since John's function was to be Christ's forerunner, so also his baptism prefigured a different baptism (Lk 3:16). Luke noted that John's baptizing work was in the country around (perichōron) the Jordan. Because John was visibly taking on himself the role of Elijah, it is possible that he picked this area on the lower Jordan because that was where Elijah spent his last days (cf. 2Ki 2:1-13). Luke quoted from Isa 40:3-5 concerning John's ministry. Isaiah was writing of God's smoothing the way for the return of the exiles from Babylon to Judah. But all three Synoptic Gospel writers applied Isaiah's words to John the Baptist. (Bible Knowledge Commentary)
 

Wansvic

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Okay, I see to disagree with you. I hope the best for you, and all others too
He called for to free us from under Law(s) To choose freely to do or not
Love to you
I am surprised when people reject teachings that came directly from Jesus, Himself. It was He who revealed more is required than belief alone. And that there is a foundation that must be laid upon Him.


I've provided the scriptures below, in the event you are not familiar with what they say:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven...
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matthew 7:21-27


The account in Luke provides more detail regarding what Jesus said, "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation ON a rock: (the rock being Jesus)
and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:47-49
 

Wansvic

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Big words award - “Scripture records… God commanded.”
Instead of attempts to ridicule you may want to study the scriptures referenced. (2 Peter 3:1-3)
 

Burn1986

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Instead of attempts to ridicule you may want to study the scriptures referenced. (2 Peter 3:1-3)
Why are y’all so stuck on this? Who wants to argue this over and over with colorful words . If you’ve been baptized and saved, then move on.
 
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My first baptism was via the Holy Spirit, or FIRE!
So in 2005 I baptized MYSELF in the name of Jesus only... in a local creek.
In 2013, I was baptized pentecostal style.
In 2019, while I was preparing for an LDS baptism, my parents put me in the psych ward.
In 2020, I was baptized Roman Catholic at a local Church.
However, I never took communion with neither the pentecostal Church, nor the Catholic Church.
LDS communion doesn't matter either way, because they do not use the fruit of the Vine.
Catholics in New York still have not gone back to pre-covid communion. They do not provide the fruit of the vine.
We are facing an apostacy here...
Fact is, we can have many baptisms. However, there is only ONE Christ.
 

Wansvic

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Luke 3:3-6. John's message was a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. John's baptism was associated with repentance, that is, it outwardly pictured an inner change of heart. The word “for” (eis) refers back to the whole “baptism of repentance.” The baptism did not save anyone, as is clear from what follows (vv. 7-14). Repentance was “unto” (lit. rendering of eis; cf. comments on Ac 2:38) or resulted in sins forgiven. Since John's function was to be Christ's forerunner, so also his baptism prefigured a different baptism (Lk 3:16). Luke noted that John's baptizing work was in the country around (perichōron) the Jordan. Because John was visibly taking on himself the role of Elijah, it is possible that he picked this area on the lower Jordan because that was where Elijah spent his last days (cf. 2Ki 2:1-13). Luke quoted from Isa 40:3-5 concerning John's ministry. Isaiah was writing of God's smoothing the way for the return of the exiles from Babylon to Judah. But all three Synoptic Gospel writers applied Isaiah's words to John the Baptist. (Bible Knowledge Commentary)
"John's" water baptism was an introduction to what was later modified. Jesus prophesied concerning this. (Luke 24:47)

The NT water baptism includes invoking the name of Jesus in water baptism for the remission of sin. Those who submit to it do so understanding it relates specifically to His death, burial and resurrection. Paul made this point in his letter to the Corinthians, "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Cor. 1:13) They would not have understood what Paul meant, if they themselves had not been obedient to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus in association with Jesus' crucifixion.

In the event you are not aware, take note that baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Peter's words in Acts 10:47-48 reveal this. All detailed conversion accounts record it's necessity, preceded by repentance, as well as the need to receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The accounts provide revelation of what Jesus meant concerning the rebirth; both water and Spirit are involved in the experience becoming a reality.
 

Wansvic

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Why are y’all so stuck on this? Who wants to argue this over and over with colorful words . If you’ve been baptized and saved, then move on.
Don't mistake discussion for arguing. It is through a willingness to study scripture others share that a person is able to make an informed decision.

It is God's word that does not return void. If received it has the ability is shatter deceptive ideas. And many times, I myself included, have believed something until I read, or someone shared scripture that went against something I thought was true. This is why it is so important to study all of God's word on a topic. And any belief that does not line up with the word must be rejected.
 

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"John's" water baptism was an introduction to what was later modified. Jesus prophesied concerning this. (Luke 24:47)

The NT water baptism includes invoking the name of Jesus in water baptism for the remission of sin. Those who submit to it do so understanding it relates specifically to His death, burial and resurrection. Paul made this point in his letter to the Corinthians, "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Cor. 1:13) They would not have understood what Paul meant, if they themselves had not been obedient to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus in association with Jesus' crucifixion.

In the event you are not aware, take note that baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Peter's words in Acts 10:47-48 reveal this. All detailed conversion accounts record it's necessity, preceded by repentance, as well as the need to receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The accounts provide revelation of what Jesus meant concerning the rebirth; both water and Spirit are involved in the experience becoming a reality.
You have a knack for complicating the simple. You are not alone.
 

homwardbound

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I have no problem sharing what church I attend. However, first, with all due respect, one's church affiliation should never factor into whether or not to accept something. The word is what matters. We are told to earnestly seek out the common salvation first given to the apostles. (Jude 3)

The apostles first message to believers in Jesus was to repent and submit to water baptism to receive remission of their personal sin. (Acts 2:4-42 , Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 22:16) So there is no denying that those who have not been water baptized in name of Jesus still carry the stain of sin. This is why Peter commanded those who had already received the Holy Spirit to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus. This account reveals that you must obey the same command to take hold of what Jesus died to provide.

The word also reveals those who have repented and submitted to water baptism, yet have not been indwelt by the Holy Spirit need to ask the heavenly Father in order to receive.

I personally attend an Apostolic Pentecostal church that adheres to these teachings from the word of God.

It is important to remember what Jesus said. Those who reject me, and receive not my words will be judged by the word. (John 12:48)
Okay, thanks
 

Shilohsfoal

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I am surprised when people reject teachings that came directly from Jesus, Himself. It was He who revealed more is required than belief alone. And that there is a foundation that must be laid upon Him.


I've provided the scriptures below, in the event you are not familiar with what they say:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven...
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matthew 7:21-27


The account in Luke provides more detail regarding what Jesus said, "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation ON a rock: (the rock being Jesus)
and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:47-49
I suppose that you don't believe Jesus yourself.

You preach that everyone who is not water Baptised remains in their sin when Jesus only said your sins are forgiven without water baptising anyone.This woman was not saved by water baptism.

Luke 7
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
 

Shilohsfoal

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Some people get Baptised in water and others get Baptised in the Holy Ghost.



Mathew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.