One taken,one left. The rapture.
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I disagree with your view about being born again as a resurrection. It isn't ever described that way in the Bible.
As you pointed out, the Greek word means to "stand up", which is literally what a dead person does when they return to life.
However, I showed many examples of dead people returning to life, and NONE of the examples included getting a glorified body.
Acts 26:23 says that Jesus was the "first to rise from the dead". Do you suppose Paul meant this in the way that you think of being "born again"? Of course not. The fact is that Jesus was the first human to get a glorified body. And the examples from Scripture show that Jesus wasn't the first to "rise from the dead".
But the difference is that He IS the first to get a glorified body. And that's the importance of resurrection.
Did Lazarus live forever in his mortal body? No. Did Lazarus get a glorified body? No. He died again.
Agreed. Acts 24:15 says just that.
As you pointed out, the Greek word means to "stand up", which is literally what a dead person does when they return to life.
However, I showed many examples of dead people returning to life, and NONE of the examples included getting a glorified body.
Acts 26:23 says that Jesus was the "first to rise from the dead". Do you suppose Paul meant this in the way that you think of being "born again"? Of course not. The fact is that Jesus was the first human to get a glorified body. And the examples from Scripture show that Jesus wasn't the first to "rise from the dead".
But the difference is that He IS the first to get a glorified body. And that's the importance of resurrection.
Did Lazarus live forever in his mortal body? No. Did Lazarus get a glorified body? No. He died again.
Agreed. Acts 24:15 says just that.
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Still waiting for you to post a scripture that says there are a second and third coming of the Lord.
The Bible teaches that the resurrection and rapture occur at His coming.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
The Bible teaches that the antichrist is destroyed at His coming.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
Those who teach any other doctrine that the doctrine of Christ, do not have God.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9
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if the "one taken" ,in your ( and all the other pretribbers here) belief, is half the worlds population, then, at the coming in white horses, you guys have NOBODY ON THE PLANET.
HELLO?????
HALF THE POPULATION IS "WICKED TAKEN"( THE ERRONEOUS MISPLACEMENT OF "WICKED TAKEN"...ROLLEYES) ,BUT THE RIGHTEOUS LEFT BEHIND TO BE RAPTURED INTO THE SKY????
NOT A SINGLE HUMAN LEFT ON THE PLANET...SMH
How embarrassing to make that "wicked taken deal" into a sacred cow.
See where false ASSUMPTIONS LEAD????
HELLO?????
HALF THE POPULATION IS "WICKED TAKEN"( THE ERRONEOUS MISPLACEMENT OF "WICKED TAKEN"...ROLLEYES) ,BUT THE RIGHTEOUS LEFT BEHIND TO BE RAPTURED INTO THE SKY????
NOT A SINGLE HUMAN LEFT ON THE PLANET...SMH
How embarrassing to make that "wicked taken deal" into a sacred cow.
See where false ASSUMPTIONS LEAD????
#1.) Sinners cannot stand in the presence of God = dead people do not stand.
But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
#2.) Enemies of God cannot stand before Him in His Presence enjoying His LIFE
For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!
#3.) Sin is DEATH and All have sinned and FALLEN from His Glory = Dead people have fallen and cannot get UP.
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
#4.) The body of corruption that we are presently trapped in was condemned to death in the Garden.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
#5.) You cannot inherit LIFE unless you are FIRST Resurrected unto LIFE.
And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised(resurrection) with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.
#6.) You cannot know LIFE unless you are FIRST Resurrected unto LIFE
And you He made alive (Resurrected) who were dead in trespasses and sins,
#7.) Death is brought to LIFE (Resurrected) through the Second Birth.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
8.) No Resurrection/Transformation into Glorified Bodies unless you have FIRST been Resurrected from Death thru REGENERATION of the SPIRIT
He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy,
by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
#2.) Enemies of God cannot stand before Him in His Presence enjoying His LIFE
For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!
#3.) Sin is DEATH and All have sinned and FALLEN from His Glory = Dead people have fallen and cannot get UP.
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
#4.) The body of corruption that we are presently trapped in was condemned to death in the Garden.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
#5.) You cannot inherit LIFE unless you are FIRST Resurrected unto LIFE.
And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised(resurrection) with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.
#6.) You cannot know LIFE unless you are FIRST Resurrected unto LIFE
And you He made alive (Resurrected) who were dead in trespasses and sins,
#7.) Death is brought to LIFE (Resurrected) through the Second Birth.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
8.) No Resurrection/Transformation into Glorified Bodies unless you have FIRST been Resurrected from Death thru REGENERATION of the SPIRIT
He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy,
by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
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Okay this is huge!!!
Most everyone here on the board has this certain belief ,that in the "one taken one left" ,that the only thing that that can possibly be, is that half that group ,it is a wicked person.
What's basically being said is half the world's population will be "taken first" to be destroyed right at the second coming on white horses.
That's what they're trying to make us believe.
Now, this just came to me this morning.
If you play that out, the erroneous assumption that the wicked are "taken first", and that is half the Earth's population, that means the other half is righteous, born again believers in Jesus.
(Whew, that alone is poppycock)
So we all know postribbers believe but there is this rapture of believers, at the second coming on white horses.
Lets play along...
Wicked taken
So, lo and behold, we have nobody on the planet, at be coming on white horses.
Now remember, you heard it here first...lol
Most everyone here on the board has this certain belief ,that in the "one taken one left" ,that the only thing that that can possibly be, is that half that group ,it is a wicked person.
What's basically being said is half the world's population will be "taken first" to be destroyed right at the second coming on white horses.
That's what they're trying to make us believe.
Now, this just came to me this morning.
If you play that out, the erroneous assumption that the wicked are "taken first", and that is half the Earth's population, that means the other half is righteous, born again believers in Jesus.
(Whew, that alone is poppycock)
So we all know postribbers believe but there is this rapture of believers, at the second coming on white horses.
Lets play along...
Wicked taken
So, lo and behold, we have nobody on the planet, at be coming on white horses.
Now remember, you heard it here first...lol
Yes, that is exactly what JPT was saying. Not "iow", but plainly.
So go ahead and continue to NOT post what you claim to post. And then go ahead and continue to FALSELY claim that others are ignoring what you post. Really clever of you.
Why do you so frequently FALSELY JUDGE others?
Why don't you quit pretending and just repeat the verse(s) asked for? That would be the adult thing to do.
So go ahead and continue to NOT post what you claim to post. And then go ahead and continue to FALSELY claim that others are ignoring what you post. Really clever of you.
Why do you so frequently FALSELY JUDGE others?
Why don't you quit pretending and just repeat the verse(s) asked for? That would be the adult thing to do.
They surely will at the GWT judgment because all the unsaved will be resurrected for that event. Acts 24:15 SAYS there is a resurrection of the unsaved. Of course, they will then bow the knee.
How is this relevant to the GWT judgment?
Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the unsaved. So yes, they WILL stand on their own 2 feet. Mortal feet.
Not relevant.
Not relevant. Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the unsaved, which will be for the GWT judgment.
I think you are confusing verses. This has no relevance to the resurrection of the unsaved.
This refers only to believers.
Refers only to believers.
What you've done here is simply confuse and conflate verses that refer to the saved and seem to apply them to the unsaved in order to defend your view.
How is this relevant to the GWT judgment?
Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the unsaved. So yes, they WILL stand on their own 2 feet. Mortal feet.
Not relevant.
Not relevant. Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the unsaved, which will be for the GWT judgment.
I think you are confusing verses. This has no relevance to the resurrection of the unsaved.
This refers only to believers.
Refers only to believers.
What you've done here is simply confuse and conflate verses that refer to the saved and seem to apply them to the unsaved in order to defend your view.
Now you have me cracking up with the "not relevant"
You are 100% focused on GWTJ as opposed to what really matters to God = Resurrection of Death unto LIFE which begins in Christ right now/today.
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
Resurrection is the KEY that unlocks the Door unto Eternal LIFE
Truly, truly, I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those having heard will live.
You are 100% focused on GWTJ as opposed to what really matters to God = Resurrection of Death unto LIFE which begins in Christ right now/today.
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
Resurrection is the KEY that unlocks the Door unto Eternal LIFE
Truly, truly, I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those having heard will live.
Mocking God???
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
Well, you are wrong. I am 100% focused on what God's Word SAYS. I fully understand your view about regeneration being a resurrection.
I reject that because the Bible does NOT ever refer to regeneration as a resurrection.
Where does the Bible support your claim here? The verses above don't support that claim.
This is a direct reference to the bodily resurrection (glorified) of every believer when Jesus comes back.
So far, you haven't provided any verse that describes regeneration as a resurrection.
I reject that because the Bible does NOT ever refer to regeneration as a resurrection.
Where does the Bible support your claim here? The verses above don't support that claim.
This is a direct reference to the bodily resurrection (glorified) of every believer when Jesus comes back.
So far, you haven't provided any verse that describes regeneration as a resurrection.
This really shows how misdirected your thoughts are.
First, no one mocks that Jesus comes. Everyone agrees to His Second Advent. What may be mocked is the notion that He will come before the Trib and take glorified believers to heaven. Since the Bible says NOTHING about that trip.
Second, why do you think that those who disagree with a "pretrib rapture" with trip to heaven will result in missing "the rapture".
Don't you believe that Jesus will give glorified bodies to EVERY believer "when He comes"?
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
From all you've posted regarding your beliefs, it seems you really don't believe or accept 1 Cor 15:23.
First, no one mocks that Jesus comes. Everyone agrees to His Second Advent. What may be mocked is the notion that He will come before the Trib and take glorified believers to heaven. Since the Bible says NOTHING about that trip.
Second, why do you think that those who disagree with a "pretrib rapture" with trip to heaven will result in missing "the rapture".
Don't you believe that Jesus will give glorified bodies to EVERY believer "when He comes"?
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
From all you've posted regarding your beliefs, it seems you really don't believe or accept 1 Cor 15:23.
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Why would God leave His Elect behind?
Did HE ever say that HE would leave His Elect behind?
Never mock the words of Christ = "I will never leave you or forsake you"
JESUS never said that His Coming and the rapture was dependent upon our belief in a pre-trib rapture.
HE did say that HE would send His Angels to gather His Elect when HE Comes.
Peace Brother
Did HE ever say that HE would leave His Elect behind?
Never mock the words of Christ = "I will never leave you or forsake you"
JESUS never said that His Coming and the rapture was dependent upon our belief in a pre-trib rapture.
HE did say that HE would send His Angels to gather His Elect when HE Comes.
Peace Brother