One taken,one left. The rapture.

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kleronomos said:
Don't you realize you are the one adding to it? I am trying to keep you from ADDING anything to the words of God. If anything you should be accusing me of 'subtracting' as I keep telling you NO, THAT ISN'T WRITTEN. No one teaches that in the words of God
Show me one example
You have a lot of nerve asking for one example of anything.

I have repeatedly asked for "one example" of the Bible describing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

And you haven't, every time.

You made the claim accusing me.
Show me.
Same to you. You make the claim that Jesus takes glorified believers to heaven.

Show me. And I don't mean by a parable. Or something that happened a very long time ago.
 
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TO MAKE SURE I DON'T 'OMIT' I TRIED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND...


Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

As watchmen, we look around and seeing the world and what is going on WE KNOW the season and we know it is coming to an end. We know that Noah and his family was saved by the waters, and the evil ones died by the waters.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

From Genesis we know the world had become so evil God was going to destroy the whole thing so there was nothing normal about the times. There were fallen angels and giants even.

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

They had no clue judgement was just on the horizon. The whole world being deceived don't have a clue sudden destruction is coming upon them either

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

HERE IS MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION


Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest:

and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,


Gather ye together first the tares,

AKA TAKEN IN BY DECEPTION, TAKEN TO BURN, TAKEN BY THE SICKLE AND THROWN IN THE WINE PRESS


and bind them in bundles to burn them:


but gather the wheat into my barn. AND THE OTHER LEFT




41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

BETTER KEEP A WATCH BECAUSE SATAN IS COMING TO DECEIVE AND THE WHEAT AND THE TARES ARE BOTH HERE UNTIL THE RETURN OF CHRIST AND THEN IT IS HARVEST TIME. IF YOU AREN'T WATCHING THEN YOU WILL BE TAKEN AND BURNT. JUST LIKE THE FLOOD OF NOAHS TIME. THEY WERENT WATCHING EITHER BECAUSE IF THE WERE THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN NOTE OF ENOCH'S PROPHECY AND STAYED AWAY FROM THE FALLEN ANGELS.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

IF THIS GOOD MAN WOULD HAVE PUT ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR HE WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO DECEIVE HIM (HAD HIS HOUSE BROKEN INTO) AND SO HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HARVESTED WITH THE TARES.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE BOOK THEN SATAN STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT MIGHT JUST LOOK LIKE CHRIST RETURNED.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

WHO IS BOTH FAITHFUL AND WISE? ONE WHO HEEDS THE WARNING DO NO BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN. SATAN IS COMING FIRST. KEEP WATCH. KEEP WORKING IN THE FIELD. DON'T BE TAKEN

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

AND THEY SHALL RULE AND REIGN WITH HIM FOR 1000 YEARS.
show me the rapture in your outline of end times events.

You got Jesus returning, gathering tares, and burning them at the gwtj.

Show me 1 thes 4 in all that.
 
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Don't you realize you are the one adding to it? I am trying to keep you from ADDING anything to the words of God. If anything you should be accusing me of 'subtracting' as I keep telling you NO, THAT ISN'T WRITTEN. No one teaches that in the words of God
Yes you are subtracting.
I agree.

Subtracting/omitting, is the postrib workbook's foundational pillar number 2 .
( number 1 is reframe)

Using that combination "subtract/ reframe", postrib doctrine works everytime, in your circles.

It is, as i clearly point out , poorly thought out.
 
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AGREE, and never let semantics get in the way of the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
In the "one taken/ left" of mat 24 (at the coming of Jesus), where do postribbers place the rapture of 1thes 4?
 
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Just sharing the Truth that BEFORE we arrive at His Second Coming and the Resurrection into Glorified Bodies, we are First resurrected from the Death of Sin unto Eternal LIFE in the SON.
Which is the Beginning Required Will of God of the First Resurrection = Born-Again by the Spirit of the Living God.

If there is no resurrection from the death of sin means, then there is no Resurrection for those who have refused the love of the Truth at His Coming.
Only thing left for them is GWTJ.
Well sorta.
We are born again, not resurrected at salvation.

Water baptism ILLUSTRATES that we IDENTIFY and fall under Jesus resurrection.

That is part of why we see and accept Jesus resurrection as "firstfruits".
Salvation is not resurrection
 
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Uh no, you do not know what you are talking about. Postribbers place the "one taken/left" at the second coming on white horses. They contend the one taken is the wicked people of this earth.

The scripture in the op (the thread you are in and yet want to divert from) is the following
Mat 24
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So EVERBODY WITH A BRAIN AGREES THERE IS ONE TAKEN AT JESUS COMING.
I find it incredible that you would not see that.

The ACTUAL DEBATE is who are those taken,and which coming.
For the sake of "playing out the postrib model" I am test fitting "wicked taken" at the arrival of the white horses second coming.

...and what a incredible fail that notion is.
^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^

....and some postribber needs to show me 1 thes 4 in that context.
 
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the op is basically 1 thes 4 in the "one taken/left", verses.

Where is postrib rapture in the coming of Jesus in mat 24: 36->

Fit it in for me, or repost where some postrib adherent does that.
 
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Following the order of the wheat and tares, and assuming the order of mention for the fate of goats and sheep is chronological, the wicked are taken first.

What leads you to interpret that the righteous are dealt with first? If the parable of the wheat and tares does not indicate that the wicked are gathered first, what does the gathering and burning of the tares mean in your interpretation?
Where is the rapture in the "one taken" illustration of mat 24?

You guys ff to tares of the gwtj.
Then try to make a case of "wicked first"

I am playing out and test fitting YOUR deal.
Wicked taken????
Righteous remain????
Ok now , in that model, fit in 1 thes 4
 
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Mocking God???

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
SMH

Some generalized wild connection you are attempting.

SMH
 
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In the "one taken/ left" of mat 24 (at the coming of Jesus), where do postribbers place the rapture of 1thes 4?
Have your ever considered the words of the KING who said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
 
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Why would God leave His Elect behind?
Did HE ever say that HE would leave His Elect behind?

Never mock the words of Christ = "I will never leave you or forsake you"

JESUS never said that His Coming and the rapture was dependent upon our belief in a pre-trib rapture.

HE did say that HE would send His Angels to gather His Elect when HE Comes.

Peace Brother
The op is on mat 24.
Show me the rapture in mat 24.

The "one taken" is at his coming.

So who is left behind on a roof and in a bed?
AT HIS COMING.

BTW if you are accusing me of changing rev, you need to prove it.
 
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Why would God leave His Elect behind?
Did HE ever say that HE would leave His Elect behind?

Never mock the words of Christ = "I will never leave you or forsake you"

JESUS never said that His Coming and the rapture was dependent upon our belief in a pre-trib rapture.

HE did say that HE would send His Angels to gather His Elect when HE Comes.

Peace Brother
The op is on mat 24.
Show me the rapture in mat 24.

The "one taken" is at his coming.

So who is left behind on a roof and im a bed?
AT HIS COMING.

BTW if you are accusing me of changing rev, you need to prove it.
 
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The op is on mat 24.
Show me the rapture in mat 24.

The "one taken" is at his coming.

So who is left behind on a roof and im a bed?
AT HIS COMING.

BTW if you are accusing me of changing rev, you need to prove it.
A comes before B after B comes C then D and so on.........

Before "one taken and one left" the LORD said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Does it matter what camp you sit in "taken or left" if HE already established that HE is Coming after the Tribulation..........

If you believe we are the one's "taken" it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.
If you believe we are the one's "left" - it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

Whether "taken or left" it is CLEAR that the LORD firmly established this will take place AFTER the Tribulation.

Do we see the Apostles continue with this instruction from the LORD?

YES we do = 1 Thess & 2 Thess & 1 John & Heb ch9 and James ch5 and Revelation.

In the Post-Trib camp we have the LORD, the Apostles the Prophets and Revelation.
 
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A comes before B after B comes C then D and so on.........

Before "one taken and one left" the LORD said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Does it matter what camp you sit in "taken or left" if HE already established that HE is Coming after the Tribulation..........

If you believe we are the one's "taken" it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.
If you believe we are the one's "left" - it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

Whether "taken or left" it is CLEAR that the LORD firmly established this will take place AFTER the Tribulation.

Do we see the Apostles continue with this instruction from the LORD?

YES we do = 1 Thess & 2 Thess & 1 John & Heb ch9 and James ch5 and Revelation.

In the Post-Trib camp we have the LORD, the Apostles the Prophets and Revelation.
Well thats a nice non answer.

Abc....ok

Now i. Will try again.

The "one taken- left" is at the second coming.
So is 1 thes 4.

Since they both are, how do they fit together.?

Is there a answer?
( we are playing it out in a postrib rapture model, so no need to teach me how the rapture is postrib....we are playing out a postrib model.)

Fit it together.
1thes 4 with mat 24; 36->
 
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A comes before B after B comes C then D and so on.........

Before "one taken and one left" the LORD said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Does it matter what camp you sit in "taken or left" if HE already established that HE is Coming after the Tribulation..........

If you believe we are the one's "taken" it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.
If you believe we are the one's "left" - it comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

Whether "taken or left" it is CLEAR that the LORD firmly established this will take place AFTER the Tribulation.

Do we see the Apostles continue with this instruction from the LORD?

YES we do = 1 Thess & 2 Thess & 1 John & Heb ch9 and James ch5 and Revelation.

In the Post-Trib camp we have the LORD, the Apostles the Prophets and Revelation.
nothing in your post about a rapture.
 
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Wicked taken????
Righteous remain????
Ok now , in that model, fit in 1 thes 4

Any postribber want to fit that together for us?
 
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Wicked taken????
Righteous remain????
Ok now , in that model, fit in 1 thes 4

Any postribber want to fit that together for us?
The LORD Jesus is 'SMH' and says to you: "What is it that you fail to understand I said "immediately after the tribulation..."
 
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The LORD Jesus is 'SMH' and says to you: "What is it that you fail to understand I said "immediately after the tribulation..."
You are saying the rapture Of 1 thes 4, and the "one taken" of mat 24, are taken at the same time?
Both are taken at the second coming on white horses?
 

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Yes of course.
But what a greater danger is, is those that mock the imminent coming of Jesus, and miss the rapture die to a belief God never delivers his own prejudgment.
I am still here, and will left my flesh body in the world, but my soul will be taken.