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Matthew 23:8 (King James Version)
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Ephesians 4
11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Ephesians 4
11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
B
That's what it seems like to me. Because what we think of as "teachers" are all students of the Lord too, and a student can't be a teacher for other students because that would mean this student would have too much authority. I don't think this means we can't call other people teachers but to understand these people could be wrong and the Lord is never wrong, thus what He teaches is infallible.
G
The word "master" is OK here, but it ignores the fact that the word is used very obviously in other places to mean Rabbi/teacher (cf. John 1:38). Yet the word "teacher" is too weak because the position of Rabbi was a position of high authority and esteem, much different than what a mere teacher would be. It seems in that case Rabbi is the best word to use, yet "master" would work as a less-accurate translation because it conveys the implication of "authority" to someone unfamiliar with the term "Rabbi".
Agreed.
Agreed.
The point I am trying to make is that I think if I pray constantly and read my Bible, then I am okay. I do not agree with the idea that I have to seek out teachers to explain things to me. Indeed, if I let a teacher do my thinking for me and the teacher is incorrect, then we are BOTH in trouble when judgment day gets here.
C
Elijah23...NO, you are not wrong!
What does the Holy Spirit have to say and TRUST HIM? You're asking a question of man, yet clearly the Lord is telling you the truth that ye need not man...hmmmm. Do not doubt. Our approval, justification, sanctification and seal all comes tangibly from the Holy Father and is annointed and appointed in His perfect, preordained time. He gave your life to you and wants you to have control over your own mind and spirit man...this is your time with Him. Pickup your cross and follow. Amen!
How the Holy Spirit discerned the scripture below with me was in this way...his words is automatic for me to ask Him first and foremost, yet sometimes He will lead others to speak words of encouragement or correction. His works are without influence, manipulation, or false controls of the flesh and in this way, it will be received by the recipient. But, it is His spirit flowing through the man that we need to hear and heed not what remains "of" the man(flesh).
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Notice in the scripture it reads, "ye need not that any man teach you." We do not need man in a needy way...we NEED The Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. We all have a responsibility to know and discern who is who, otherwise many will be led astray and ensnared by the subtlety of the serpents whispers.
All things must be spiritually discerned, we cannot understand spiritual things without the Holy Spirit guiding us into all truth. Let us all remember, the sons of God are led by the Holy Spirit. Brother, who else would you ask but the One who knows every secret of your heart?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Abiding In The Vine.
Carpe_diem
What does the Holy Spirit have to say and TRUST HIM? You're asking a question of man, yet clearly the Lord is telling you the truth that ye need not man...hmmmm. Do not doubt. Our approval, justification, sanctification and seal all comes tangibly from the Holy Father and is annointed and appointed in His perfect, preordained time. He gave your life to you and wants you to have control over your own mind and spirit man...this is your time with Him. Pickup your cross and follow. Amen!
How the Holy Spirit discerned the scripture below with me was in this way...his words is automatic for me to ask Him first and foremost, yet sometimes He will lead others to speak words of encouragement or correction. His works are without influence, manipulation, or false controls of the flesh and in this way, it will be received by the recipient. But, it is His spirit flowing through the man that we need to hear and heed not what remains "of" the man(flesh).
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Notice in the scripture it reads, "ye need not that any man teach you." We do not need man in a needy way...we NEED The Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. We all have a responsibility to know and discern who is who, otherwise many will be led astray and ensnared by the subtlety of the serpents whispers.
All things must be spiritually discerned, we cannot understand spiritual things without the Holy Spirit guiding us into all truth. Let us all remember, the sons of God are led by the Holy Spirit. Brother, who else would you ask but the One who knows every secret of your heart?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Abiding In The Vine.
Carpe_diem
There's plenty of verses about teachers, and what is evangelism? evangelism is mostly teaching. So we do need teachers even more so today where every belief is accepted as long as you claim that the "holy Spirit told me".
I think what Jesus is addressing is the way in which the rabbis or teachers of his time commanded respect but in a sort of prideful and hypocritical way. He wasn't saying that you can't have teachers that's silly, if there weren't any teachers in Christianity everything would look like a mess.
I think what Jesus is addressing is the way in which the rabbis or teachers of his time commanded respect but in a sort of prideful and hypocritical way. He wasn't saying that you can't have teachers that's silly, if there weren't any teachers in Christianity everything would look like a mess.
Let me remind you of the Scripture Carpe_Diem just quoted:
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Certainly Jesus is telling the truth.
I might suggest that we don’t NEED teachers—we already have one in Jesus—but we are free to seek them out if we wish.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Certainly Jesus is telling the truth.
I might suggest that we don’t NEED teachers—we already have one in Jesus—but we are free to seek them out if we wish.
1 Jn 2:27 doesnt mean that there is nothing that we dont need teachers for. It is referring primarily to things such as brotherly love, knowing right from wrong, etc, we need to consider the whole context of what it is saying. It is not meant to make a general statement that we "don't need teachers at all".
In 1 Th 4:9, Paul says that they are taught by God themself to love one another, and they dont need to hear that from him, but he says this right after giving them a couple of teachings about fornication and defrauding, so obviously some things we dont need teachers for, and other things we do.
We wouldn't get very far in our walk with God without teachers, I would think. Actually by quoting 1 Jn 2:27 you and Carpe Diem are quoting a teacher.
, so obviously you need teachers, to tell you that you don't need teachers? . The anointing doesn't exclude being taught by those with the same anointing. As well as each person individually, the Holy Spirit teaches through men and women of God who are gifted with ability to teach. If you are an unbeliever, you need to be taught the truth about God and Jesus , if you are a new christian, you need to be taught by those more mature in the faith, if you are a child, you need Sunday school, if you are a youth, you need youth group teaching.
The early church was set up based on roles of teaching, the apostles had and taught their own disciples, and their disciples taught others etc etc. If it was important for the apostles Paul and Timothy to teach and be taught (see scriptures below), then I don't know why anyone would think it is less important today?
2Th 2:15 Therefore, my brothers, stand fast and hold the teachings which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.
Gal 6:6 But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
1Co 4:17 For this cause I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved son and faithful in the Lord, who shall remind you of my ways which are in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Paul even says that they ought to be teachers, but also that they have need to be taught:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
In 1 Th 4:9, Paul says that they are taught by God themself to love one another, and they dont need to hear that from him, but he says this right after giving them a couple of teachings about fornication and defrauding, so obviously some things we dont need teachers for, and other things we do.
We wouldn't get very far in our walk with God without teachers, I would think. Actually by quoting 1 Jn 2:27 you and Carpe Diem are quoting a teacher.
, so obviously you need teachers, to tell you that you don't need teachers? . The anointing doesn't exclude being taught by those with the same anointing. As well as each person individually, the Holy Spirit teaches through men and women of God who are gifted with ability to teach. If you are an unbeliever, you need to be taught the truth about God and Jesus , if you are a new christian, you need to be taught by those more mature in the faith, if you are a child, you need Sunday school, if you are a youth, you need youth group teaching. The early church was set up based on roles of teaching, the apostles had and taught their own disciples, and their disciples taught others etc etc. If it was important for the apostles Paul and Timothy to teach and be taught (see scriptures below), then I don't know why anyone would think it is less important today?
2Th 2:15 Therefore, my brothers, stand fast and hold the teachings which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.
Gal 6:6 But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
1Co 4:17 For this cause I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved son and faithful in the Lord, who shall remind you of my ways which are in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Paul even says that they ought to be teachers, but also that they have need to be taught:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
1 Jn 2:27 doesnt mean that there is nothing that we dont need teachers for. It is referring primarily to things such as brotherly love, knowing right from wrong, etc, we need to consider the whole context of what it is saying. It is not meant to make a general statement that we "don't need teachers at all".
In 1 Th 4:9, Paul says that they are taught by God themself to love one another, and they dont need to hear that from him, but he says this right after giving them a couple of teachings about fornication and defrauding, so obviously some things we dont need teachers for, and other things we do.
We wouldn't get very far in our walk with God without teachers, I would think. Actually by quoting 1 Jn 2:27 you and Carpe Diem are quoting a teacher., so obviously you need teachers, to tell you that you don't need teachers? . The anointing doesn't exclude being taught by those with the same anointing. As well as each person individually, the Holy Spirit teaches through men and women of God who are gifted with ability to teach. If you are an unbeliever, you need to be taught the truth about God and Jesus , if you are a new christian, you need to be taught by those more mature in the faith, if you are a child, you need Sunday school, if you are a youth, you need youth group teaching.
The early church was set up based on roles of teaching, the apostles had and taught their own disciples, and their disciples taught others etc etc. If it was important for the apostles Paul and Timothy to teach and be taught (see scriptures below), then I don't know why anyone would think it is less important today?
2Th 2:15 Therefore, my brothers, stand fast and hold the teachings which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.
Gal 6:6 But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
1Co 4:17 For this cause I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved son and faithful in the Lord, who shall remind you of my ways which are in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Paul even says that they ought to be teachers, but also that they have need to be taught:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
In 1 Th 4:9, Paul says that they are taught by God themself to love one another, and they dont need to hear that from him, but he says this right after giving them a couple of teachings about fornication and defrauding, so obviously some things we dont need teachers for, and other things we do.
We wouldn't get very far in our walk with God without teachers, I would think. Actually by quoting 1 Jn 2:27 you and Carpe Diem are quoting a teacher.
, so obviously you need teachers, to tell you that you don't need teachers? . The anointing doesn't exclude being taught by those with the same anointing. As well as each person individually, the Holy Spirit teaches through men and women of God who are gifted with ability to teach. If you are an unbeliever, you need to be taught the truth about God and Jesus , if you are a new christian, you need to be taught by those more mature in the faith, if you are a child, you need Sunday school, if you are a youth, you need youth group teaching. The early church was set up based on roles of teaching, the apostles had and taught their own disciples, and their disciples taught others etc etc. If it was important for the apostles Paul and Timothy to teach and be taught (see scriptures below), then I don't know why anyone would think it is less important today?
2Th 2:15 Therefore, my brothers, stand fast and hold the teachings which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.
Gal 6:6 But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
1Co 4:17 For this cause I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved son and faithful in the Lord, who shall remind you of my ways which are in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Paul even says that they ought to be teachers, but also that they have need to be taught:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
In the end you can’t let anyone else “do your thinking for you,” because judgment day will come and you want to go to the right place. If your teacher is wrong, then both of you will wind up in the wrong place, won’t you?
If you walk with the Lord and own a Bible, what else do you need?
And if you want to be taught—fine—only take it all with a grain of salt.
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