Our Efforts Will Alter The Face Of The World.

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Dirtman

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Christians have changed the face of the world and the opposition hates it.
 

Nehemiah6

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No, not parts of it. The whole world is going to be destroyed by God. We are not called to be friends of the world, for friendship with the world is to become the enemy of God.
Who said anything about being "friends of the world"? And why do you call yourself "Salt of God" of you don't want to do your job? Do you even understand the meaning of "salt" and "light"?
 
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Your efforts will alter things. For example, the end of Roe V Wade.

Ultimately, yes it will all be brought to judgment but we are still called to be the salt and the light. Remember the whole Roman Empire was eventually converted to the majority religion being Christianity.
Where is the Roman Empire now?


So your response to evil is to standby and pray about it? No action? How is apathy any more moral than doing the evil act yourself? By complacency we are just as evil to standby and do nothing when people are being led to the slaughter, to slavery mental and physical damage.

Those are friends of the world. Might as well change the morals of the good Samaritan. The man passing him should of just prayed and kept his eyes on what's to come.
See how the world works; we're damned if we do and damned if we don't if these people get to be the judge of us! Let us pray then that the Father in heaven shall shake their wicked society, turn it upside down, and wipe it lika a dish, in the name of Jesus, amen.
 
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Who said anything about being "friends of the world"? And why do you call yourself "Salt of God" of you don't want to do your job? Do you even understand the meaning of "salt" and "light"?
Why should we strive to alter the face of an evil world that is likened onto a woman that stayed not with her one man but treacherously departed from him and went with many men? Should she be rewarded? Can you change her indeed? I think not. I think strong will be the God who judges her and the judgement of God is already written against her.

As for the Salt of God, actually thank you I am glad you asked. This is what Jesus told me I am.
 

Dirtman

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The reason we work for the betterment of our world around us is because Jesus said to Love your neighbor as yourself. So we minister to them and we seek what is best for them. This is the meaning of love.
When the sons of thunder wanted to call down fire to destroy Jesus said you do not know of what spirit that you are of. That He, Jesus, didn't come to destroy men's lives but to save them. We are to be imitators of Jesus.
 

Gojira

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Why should we strive to alter the face of an evil world that is likened onto a woman that stayed not with her one man but treacherously departed from him and went with many men? Should she be rewarded? Can you change her indeed? I think not. I think strong will be the God who judges her and the judgement of God is already written against her.

As for the Salt of God, actually thank you I am glad you asked. This is what Jesus told me I am.
But if you lose your saltiness...

Sorry, this is inexcusable. But, in debating people like you I usually wind up just grinding my wheels. The Lord has to open your eyes. All the logic and reasoning and gleaning of scripture will not do it.
 
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But if you lose your saltiness...

Sorry, this is inexcusable. But, in debating people like you I usually wind up just grinding my wheels. The Lord has to open your eyes. All the logic and reasoning and gleaning of scripture will not do it.

If I lose my saltiness then I am just dirt and good for nothing but to be poured out and trod underfoot.

I am not here to debate you, the scriptures are abundantly clear, this wicked earth is doomed because it turned against God. Even if you could persuade me to side with the earth, it would ultimately not matter, it's not going to change God's mind nor will it change the fate of the earth.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Where is the Roman Empire now?




See how the world works; we're damned if we do and damned if we don't if these people get to be the judge of us! Let us pray then that the Father in heaven shall shake their wicked society, turn it upside down, and wipe it lika a dish, in the name of Jesus, amen.
The Roman Empire is gone but what was fostered and incubated within it would have world changing ramifications that we now experience.

God uses His people to shake societies. Pray and Act. Good deeds are a product of our faith and in that we bring the light within the world.
 
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The Roman Empire is gone but what was fostered and incubated within it would have world changing ramifications that we now experience.

God uses His people to shake societies. Pray and Act. Good deeds are a product of our faith and in that we bring the light within the world.
May God shake their wicked societies that hate him and try to gaslight him, turn them upside down, and wipe them like a dish just as he promised, in the name of Jesus I pray, amen.
 

Roughsoul1991

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May God shake their wicked societies that hate him and try to gaslight him, turn them upside down, and wipe them like a dish just as he promised, in the name of Jesus I pray, amen.
Who does the shaking?
 
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Who does the shaking?
God does the shaking, the turning the wicked society upside down, and wiping it like a dish. God himself will do it so that they may know that there is a God and that he is good and just and full of power.
 

Roughsoul1991

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God does the shaking, the turning the wicked society upside down, and wiping it like a dish. God himself will do it so that they may know that there is a God and that he is good and just and full of power.
So the apostles had no impact?
 
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Why should we strive to alter the face of an evil world that is likened onto a woman that stayed not with her one man but treacherously departed from him and went with many men? Should she be rewarded? Can you change her indeed? I think not. I think strong will be the God who judges her and the judgement of God is already written against her.

As for the Salt of God, actually thank you I am glad you asked. This is what Jesus told me I am.

uh....coffee moment here.

We are all called 'salt' according to the word. It is not something applicable to you alone and kind of grandiose to claim it is don't cha think?

Therefore subject yourselves to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7

what do you mean 'strong will be the God who judges her?' you do believe you are some kind of prophet? do you believe God has told you that?

God is not strong because of His actions. His actions reveal His strength.
 

Gojira

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Yes, I know I do. Lean upon Jesus Yeshua is my strength.
Yeah, like those sinful ministers who helped to start the anti-slavery movement in the US. How DARE they get involved in political matters!
 

Gojira

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If I lose my saltiness then I am just dirt and good for nothing but to be poured out and trod underfoot.

I am not here to debate you, the scriptures are abundantly clear, this wicked earth is doomed because it turned against God. Even if you could persuade me to side with the earth, it would ultimately not matter, it's not going to change God's mind nor will it change the fate of the earth.
Being politically involved does not make you sinfully involved with the earth. Ugh. This is so stupid. Like I said earlier, those Christians who started the anti-slavery movement must have been real wicked to get involved in political matters. After all, how much more sinful could you get than by trying to show love to your fellow man by improving their lot in life?

Those faithless, unspiritual blasphemers.
 

Gojira

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The Roman Empire is gone but what was fostered and incubated within it would have world changing ramifications that we now experience.

God uses His people to shake societies. Pray and Act. Good deeds are a product of our faith and in that we bring the light within the world.
Yep... but don't tell some of the people here that.

There is no reason behind the thought process that condemns political involvement. None. There is certainly nothing moral behind it. And, they cannot back this stance up with Scripture unless they misrepresent the case for such involvement.

Conservatives are just as wicked as the Left. Uhh... no they're not. Are some? Sure. Is conservatism? Most definitely not, and it is the Christian's responsibility to serve his/her society by supporting such a philosophy in our halls of power. Otherwise, do not complain or blame prophecy when bonafide persecution starts. The fault is yours.

Voting only has one flawed person supporting another flawed person. And, in case you haven't heard, Jesus is coming back to make it all right in the end. Nothing you do will make that happen before then! Indeed. Who said it would? However, the Word tells us to be submissive to other humans. If we are to be submissive to a sinful pastor or husband or employer, how is it that we're not supposed to vote for people who are likewise imperfect, but who have the right overall values? And, how does this free you from the responsibility of trying to create as much good as possible with what you have? The more good, the less evil. The less evil, the less God's wrath.

Because voting for imperfect good is as bad as voting for pure evil. I cannot even respond to this insane thought process.

We get saved through Christ, not politics. Who disagrees with this? Who said otherwise? Being concerned about the leadership of your country is not anything near the notion that government saves you. That's a pagan / Leftist tenet. This shows these folks have not thought this through or really investigated what their opposition is saying.

I serve in the army of Christ, not man! Serving in the military is wrong. Jesus never said that. John the Baptist never said that. In fact, Jesus commended the one centurion for his faith, but never told him to stop doing his job. Never mind that there would be no law enforcement (for the government that God established) or defense for your way of life from outside powers. Man are we Christian smart or what!

Would you condemn those ministers who started the anti-slavery movement in the US? Or, those soldiers who fought the South? Yeah, you probably would. If you're not willing to fight to perpetuate your freedoms in a western nation, you do not deserve to have them.

Only for those who have ears...
 
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uh....coffee moment here.

We are all called 'salt' according to the word. It is not something applicable to you alone and kind of grandiose to claim it is don't cha think?

Therefore subject yourselves to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7

what do you mean 'strong will be the God who judges her?' you do believe you are some kind of prophet? do you believe God has told you that?

God is not strong because of His actions. His actions reveal His strength.
I have not said I alone am the salt, so no, I do not think it is so grandiose. She lives so deliciously persecuting the faithful she is so lofty and spoiled in all of her rewards and all the excuses her wicked lovers have made for her, the whore, but strong will be the God who judges her and she will be destroyed for her infidelities, God will judge her in strength like a just man does and all her lovers will behold it and mourn but they will not deliver her at all from the power of his mighty hand. You say I am a prophet but I have not said such. I believe God and all that beleive in God have said this; "oh you adulterers and adultresses know you not that friendship with the world is to be the enemy of God?"