Our Governing Authorities

[posthuman]

He told Peter to put away his sword, and then He healed Malchus.

 

[posthuman]

That teaching about those inauthority is only in the authority that is ours....God.

it's good for us that Paul goes on to explain the instruction he gave in Romans 13:1 in the paragraph that follows it!

we might think that he's only talking about authority within the church, and that we should not have any respect for secular civil authority, if it weren't for the instruction that the Holy Spirit provided with such words as those in verse 6, "for because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God" - we might totally not only miss the meaning of vv. 1-5 but also misapply verse 7, or verse 8 - "owe nothing to anyone but to love one another"

 

[posthuman]

To live by Faith and worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.. Love First and always.

I always like to consider Daniel and the others of that time... anything contrary to GOD's Law is to be refused.. and my word is this world not harder to abide in each and every day.. only the Power of GOD through Faith in His Son can you be kept from the darkness.

you know it's interesting, Daniel served in the pagan court of Babylon for decades, and his every recorded conversation with those in ((secular)) authority over him was respectful - though he would not cease praying to the LORD, and though he would not bow his knee to an idol, there's no record of him refusing his duties in the palace. & he was greatly loved - and Nebuchadnezzar's soul came to know the One True God.

Were you a slave when you were called?
Do not let it concern you, but if you can gain your freedom, take the opportunity.
(1 Corinthians 7:21) ​

 

[JaumeJ]

Without adding or taking away from the Word, I may only say Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Herod, nor has He anything to do with Caesar; what He saw His Father doing He did also in obedience to God.....mysterious as it may sound.

 

[JaumeJ]

Servants are instructed to obey their masters. Daniel was first in the position of a slave and late elevated by his recognized prowess to being a servant with privileges. Also, Nebudchanedzar listened to Daniel, not the other way around.

 

[posthuman]

Without adding or taking away from the Word, I may only say Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Herod, nor has He anything to do with Caesar; what He saw His Father doing He did also in obedience to God.....mysterious as it may sound.

amen - it is He Himself who gave Pilate authority, according to His own purpose.

For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord’s freedman.
Conversely, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ’s slave
(1 Corinthians 7:21) ​

 

[posthuman]

But Daniel made up his mind that he would not defile himself with the king's choice food or with the wine which he drank; so he sought permission from the commander of the officials that he might not defile himself.
Now God granted Daniel favor and compassion in the sight of the commander of the officials
(Daniel 1:8-9)


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[JaumeJ]

I believe by Christ first and then the examples of many others, Shadrach, Meshach and Abdneggo, Daniel, and others, we understand our freedom which exceeds the standard set by men.

So, when it comes to needing to choose, our faith and our due is to listen to Yahweh first..........

Flesh cannot countermand our Father, therefore tht law did apply only to the priesthood in the theocraticf Israel. It does not apply to any of the children of Yahweh.

 

[unobtrusive]

Those who would want the government to govern with anything less than full righteousness in mind will suffer the same fate as those they choose to govern them.

Good thread!! To the OP newton3003.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.(Mark 3:25)

"A house divided against itself cannot stand," a concept familiar to Abraham Lincoln's audience as a statement by Jesus recorded in all three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke).

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, (Deuteronomy 30:19-20a)

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15)

If we have been given the "freedom of speech," in the United States, by our freedom in Christ Jesus, why not use it, and speak out with one voice against pagan practices that are clearly defined in scripture? We see it vividly.

And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The Lord will not do good, neither will he do evil. (Zephaniah 1:12)

Maybe we are scared of being hated, contrary to the love we practice. "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." (Luke 21:17)