Our Lifespan on Earth

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cv5

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Psalm 90:10 says, “The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty…” The inference is that if nothing happens to us, and if we strive for righteousness, we shouldn’t ordinarily expect to live on earth past 80.

Now we know there are people who live past 80. Comedian Don Rickles passed away when he was in his 90’s. Some may say, tongue-in-cheek perhaps, that if he lived past 80 then it shows he wasn’t judged to be righteous. Many of us know, however, that he didn’t mean the insults he parried against his audience, and those whom he insulted knew that too. Still, that leaves the question, existentially, that if people like Rickles lived past 80, was it because they weren’t righteous in some way? After all, it says plain and simple in Psalm 90:10 as to what our lifespan on earth should be, and it seems that unless the Bible says otherwise, any actions we undertake, and any state of existence as described in the Bible are forms of righteousness.

So, if people who have strived for righteousness live past 80, should they believe that all is lost, and they should stop being of use to anyone, and just sit and sulk? To a lot of those who have lived past 90 and who see themselves as God-fearing, the question may be ridiculous. But as we live according to the Bible, whether we want to or not it behooves us to be mindful of what the Bible says as we go about our lives. Perhaps our age may be a worry that should not be considered, but many of us are prone to doubts in our lives, questioning the things we do in terms of right and wrong, and sometimes wavering between the two since we are not perfect. Some of us who find ourselves in a depressed state will question everything that may affect our lives. Some of us may endure a Hamlet moment from time to time, questioning our own existence. So, it may help to put to bed any worries that some people may have concerning passages like Psalm 90:10.

Is Psalm 90:10, like other passages in the Bible, an absolute directive in that there is no choice in the matter? Inasmuch as 2 Timothy 3:16 says that ALL Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, we must consider the whole Bible. So,

The Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth, and he is eternal, so He is above everything including the Bible He breathed out, just as we are above our own breaths. Considering that then, James 1:17 says “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.” So, regardless of Psalm 90:10, it is conceivable that anyone who lives past 80 has done so because God has gifted them. In a sense, His gifts supersede what the Bible says we can expect.

How do people know, when they live past 80, that they have received a gift from God, and it’s not because thy have lived lives counter to what the Bible expects of them? The Bible tells us to test everything to determine if we are on a righteous path. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says to “…test everything; hold fast what is good.” Hang on to goodness, no matter how strong the winds of evil which blow by, threatening to carry you along with it.

No matter our age, to paraphrase Don Rickles, anyone who doesn’t spend their lives striving for righteousness is a hockey puck! (And if I lived for anything but righteousness, I would expect to be judged as a hockey puck too…)
I am quite convinced that God allows some to live to an old age.....to maximise the worst possible quantity of judgment and the hottest hell. That's the only thing that makes sense. God literally allowing sin to take its maximum course and fullest effect.
 

TM19782017

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what I want to know is why do some righteous die early?
And some wicked like hugh heffner live LOOONG lives?

Me personally, I dont mind living long IF im healthy. If im not healthy just beam me outta here.
In short, can you see a man's heart? They may seem evil on the outside but only God can see within.
Us humans have limitations no matter how much we believe we are all knowing.
 

PennEd

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I am quite convinced that God allows some to live to an old age.....to maximise the worst possible quantity of judgment and the hottest hell. That's the only thing that makes sense. God literally allowing sin to take its maximum course and fullest effect.
That's a pretty rough way of looking at longevity.

Of course God may also allow long life because He knows it's gonna take many years before the person will believe, repent, and be saved.

Also, maybe somebody lives very long because they are an effective witness that God wants to use.
 

garee

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Abraham lived approx. 125 -150 In order to serve the good purpose of God's pleasure.
 

cv5

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That's a pretty rough way of looking at longevity.

Of course God may also allow long life because He knows it's gonna take many years before the person will believe, repent, and be saved.

Also, maybe somebody lives very long because they are an effective witness that God wants to use.
I am refering to inveterate sinners only in that context. But honestly it seems to be one of the best explainations for God allowing certain particularly wicked people to persist. The utterly corrupt Temple leaders of Jesus day probably died peacecully before 70 AD.

IMO when you choose over time to continually hearden your heart.....you are in very serious jeopardy. Truly anyone can be saved at any point in time, but I would not want to be in that rarefied group let me tell you.
 

glf1

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Either way, we have no choice in the matter.

We can take every precaution, but one day find we have to leave our house to get food from the supermarket, and we step out onto the street where our car is parked, and we get run over by a passing car. Was it predetermined, or was it by chance? Would we care at that point?

Reminds me of a schtick that the late Rodney Dangerfield had. He says,

“Every morning I wake up with a heaviness over my head. So, one morning I look up and I say ‘Hello, Heaviness.” And Heaviness answers me, saying, ‘Today you’re gonna get it!”

Can we stop from happening what is going to happen? And if we can, perhaps it wasn’t supposed to happen to begin with, either by chance or as pre-determined.
Hey! newton... : )
Of course we can make a difference!
Jam 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray for one another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

As far as what's going to happen or not happen, is for the Lord to know ahead of time; but for us, its as if it is by what we do or don't do: because we don't know the end from the beginning.
PTL!
 

Adstar

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So which is it? is the day predetermined or is it cut short by chance?
I would express it as our day of departure is Foreknown.. God already knows who will be cut short by chance and whom will avoid the random events that cause others to have an early death..
 

Hevosmies

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In short, can you see a man's heart? They may seem evil on the outside but only God can see within.
Us humans have limitations no matter how much we believe we are all knowing.
Can I see the man's heart? no.
I can see man's deeds.

If I was alive back then, I could see the heart of someone like Aleister Crowley was wicked. How? Because of his deeds, because of his occult practices.

Dont need to be God to see that.
 

cv5

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Job 8:8-9: confirmation of the longevity of the patriarchs....

Bildad says:

“For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow. Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?”
 

cv5

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In Genesis 10: 26-29, Joktan's thirteen sons are listed. Joktan was Peleg's brother, and it was in Peleg's time the continents were divided. Joktan's thirteenth son was Jobab. Later on, in the Bible, we have the earliest completed book of the Bible, Job. Is Job Jobab? The evidence we have found in the Bible says that yes, he is. In the ancient Alexandrian Septuagint, from 300 years before Christ, there is a part of the book of Job that later translators left out. It states that Job lived a total of about 248 years. Although other Jobs and Jobabs are mentioned in the Bible, only someone who lived at approximately the time of Peleg or a little after would have this age expected. Before Peleg (and after Noah's Flood) the age expectancy was more like 400 or 450 years. After the time of Peleg we see a fairly rapid drop in life expectancy from over 400 years (Peleg's father and grandfather, in Genesis 11) to Peleg, 239 years, then Reu at 239 years, then 230 years for Serug, 148 years for Abraham's father, then Abraham's 175 years and finally to Moses' 120 years, which is the maximum life expectancy today.
 

Hevosmies

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@Deade could you send me a message? I cant since im not a paid member it says.

I know i know, im a cheap-skate.
 

BibleExplorer

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In Genesis 10: 26-29, Joktan's thirteen sons are listed. Joktan was Peleg's brother, and it was in Peleg's time the continents were divided. Joktan's thirteenth son was Jobab. Later on, in the Bible, we have the earliest completed book of the Bible, Job. Is Job Jobab? The evidence we have found in the Bible says that yes, he is. In the ancient Alexandrian Septuagint, from 300 years before Christ, there is a part of the book of Job that later translators left out. It states that Job lived a total of about 248 years. Although other Jobs and Jobabs are mentioned in the Bible, only someone who lived at approximately the time of Peleg or a little after would have this age expected. Before Peleg (and after Noah's Flood) the age expectancy was more like 400 or 450 years. After the time of Peleg we see a fairly rapid drop in life expectancy from over 400 years (Peleg's father and grandfather, in Genesis 11) to Peleg, 239 years, then Reu at 239 years, then 230 years for Serug, 148 years for Abraham's father, then Abraham's 175 years and finally to Moses' 120 years, which is the maximum life expectancy today.
Thank you for the info on Job's age. I was recently wondering from Job 42:16 where he would fit on the timeline.

 

JaumeJ

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I am quite convinced that God allows some to live to an old age.....to maximise the worst possible quantity of judgment and the hottest hell. That's the only thing that makes sense. God literally allowing sin to take its maximum course and fullest effect.

It is written God allows some time to repent………...merciful and loving is He.