Our new relationship to the law.

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Grandpa

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Yes, we are not under the law as concerning condemnation.

As concerning obedience:

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


Heb 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Rom 5:5, And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
More than half of those scriptures CONTRADICT what you try to teach...
 

Grandpa

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@eternally-gratefull,

you must hate me quite a bit, to level such an accusation against me.

Don't think that I am so stupid as to be unaware of what you are implying.

Which is refuted by the understanding that I am being persecuted for preaching the law here.
CORRECTED

Not persecuted.
 

Grandpa

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Nope

we are not under the law. The law is the minister od death. Because anyone who does not obey it all is cursed.

Yes. Jesus freed us from the curse But that does n9t mean we go back to the curse itself

You and your buddy are just like a few other people who have come and gone in the past who has taught this same form of jewish rots nonsense.

You wong be the last

Just know. Most people have heard it before. Thats why hardly anyone responds to your posts.

But instead of leaving it alone? No you have to bump your posts to promote your law teaching

I already placed you buddy in my prayer Binn I am about to send you there.
We are not under the law concerning condemnation...

But we are still under the law to obey it...:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

What?

How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???


"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.


This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...:ROFL:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...

But we are still under the law to obey it...:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

What?

How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???


"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.


This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...:ROFL:
God gives us a law and says we must obey every word of else

And we have those who admit they failed yet continue to try?

How we can be so deceived by self righteousness
 

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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...

But we are still under the law to obey it...:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

What?

How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???


"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.


This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...:ROFL:
That's not it, Grandpa! Paul told us we are not under Law, but we are under Grace.

Here's the point,

Rom. 3:31

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

Concerning the moral part of the Law, the Ten Commandments, it was wrong to steal when God gave the moral Law to Israel thousands of years ago and it is still wrong today. And so it is with all the moral Law, nothing has changed!

These Laws are still incumbent on the New Covenant believer just as it was under the Old Covenant.

But there is a huge difference in how these Laws are kept now under the New Covenant.

No strength was given to those under the Law of Moses to help them obey these Laws, they were to turn to the sacrificial system for their sins to be forgiven. This is how the Law pointed to Christ for obedience.

But under the New Covenant, The crucified Christ is our strength by faith, and lives this moral life through us.

Gal. 2:20

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Do you understand this, Grandpa? If you don't I will explain it another way until you do understand!
 

justbyfaith

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It doesn't say anything about 10 commandments. It is God talking about putting His Law into our minds and hearts.

2 Corinthians 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

That's the 10 commandments this is talking about...
2Co 3:16, Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

This indicates that when we turn to the Lord, we will be able to see the law apart from the vail, even clearly and in its proper light.

Which is not to say that we would then be inclined to turn our ears away from hearing the law (see Proverbs 28:9, James 1:25).
 

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CORRECTED

Not persecuted.
If you actually had scripture to substantiate your viewpoint, you would be correcting me.

But since you don't, it is more along the lines of the other thing.
 

justbyfaith

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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...

But we are still under the law to obey it...:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

What?

How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???


"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.


This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...:ROFL:
Are you really of the opinion that we are not to obey the following...

Thou shalt not commit adultery with your neighbor's wife

Thou shalt not kill your neighbor

Thou shalt not steal from your neighbor

Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor

Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's belongings

and,

Thou shalt not break any other commandment that pertains to your neighbor?

Are you advocating that Christians become,

adulterers,

murderers,

thieves,

liars,

coveters,

and law-breakers concerning every other law that is written?

I believe that the Bible teaches (Revelation 21:8) that such people shall have their part in the lake of fire.

I would contend that if anyone is truly born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in their heart (Romans 5:5).

And that this love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within them (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

And the law is for those who are not born again; because it is only those who are inclined to disobey the law.

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20); I will define sin here as being a violation of the love of God and as the transgression of the law.
 

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God gives us a law and says we must obey every word of else

And we have those who admit they failed yet continue to try?

How we can be so deceived by self righteousness
Of course, no one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

However, as concerning the spirit of the law (Romans 7:6),

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

Have you memorized these verses yet?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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some people just do not understand

The law was given to lead people to Christ.

1. It exposes the fact we can not meet Gods standard, for all have sinned and fall short (miss the mark)
2. It exposes the fact that no matter how hard we try. we can not even keep these ten commands (there are many commands or sins we do every day not included in the ten) I used to call these ten commands Gods ten commands for dummies. As God says, here, here are ten commands, You can not even keep these. So how dare you think you are righteous enough to even come close to me on your own
3. He shows us what must be done when we break these commands to have the curse which is given to ALL who do not fulfill these ten, to be redeemed (as a lamb led before the slaughter)

He did not give these commands to show us how to be good (they do not even come close to showing what every possible sin a person can commit is)

He did not give us these commands to help us be righteous people (they do not even tell us HOW to obey them, Just state a law that if broken, we are guilty)

Jesus on the sermon on the mount said the law says this, But I tell you...... Proving the law was week in its attempt to show us every sin. And that if we try to become righteous upstanding people just by following these ten, we will fail miserably.

so you see @justbyfaith and @Charlie24, Jesus also told us HOW to learn to be righteous. HOW to fulfill the royal law in us. and HOW to become Christlike

1. Love, as he loved us
2. Seek after the things of the spirit. what are these? Well paul tells us

Gal 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

You see, Yes, bearing false witness is a sin. And breaking the ten commands

But no child of God needs to be told that. They know it. They have been trained by the law so they know these ten commands

What they need to learn is how to love and how to produce the fruit of the spirit by seeking to do those things,

When you teach law, as is being done here, you place people right back under the curse. Which no one can keep. And as paul said, placed a burden on them not even the fathers could keep.
 
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If you think that they do, then you are misunderstanding what I am trying to teach.
we have heard it before. Your not the first. You wont be the last
 

justbyfaith

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some people just do not understand

The law was given to lead people to Christ.

1. It exposes the fact we can not meet Gods standard, for all have sinned and fall short (miss the mark)
2. It exposes the fact that no matter how hard we try. we can not even keep these ten commands (there are many commands or sins we do every day not included in the ten) I used to call these ten commands Gods ten commands for dummies. As God says, here, here are ten commands, You can not even keep these. So how dare you think you are righteous enough to even come close to me on your own
3. He shows us what must be done when we break these commands to have the curse which is given to ALL who do not fulfill these ten, to be redeemed (as a lamb led before the slaughter)

He did not give these commands to show us how to be good (they do not even come close to showing what every possible sin a person can commit is)

He did not give us these commands to help us be righteous people (they do not even tell us HOW to obey them, Just state a law that if broken, we are guilty)

Jesus on the sermon on the mount said the law says this, But I tell you...... Proving the law was week in its attempt to show us every sin. And that if we try to become righteous upstanding people just by following these ten, we will fail miserably.

so you see @justbyfaith and @Charlie24, Jesus also told us HOW to learn to be righteous. HOW to fulfill the royal law in us. and HOW to become Christlike

1. Love, as he loved us
2. Seek after the things of the spirit. what are these? Well paul tells us

Gal 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

You see, Yes, bearing false witness is a sin. And breaking the ten commands

But no child of God needs to be told that. They know it. They have been trained by the law so they know these ten commands

What they need to learn is how to love and how to produce the fruit of the spirit by seeking to do those things,

When you teach law, as is being done here, you place people right back under the curse. Which no one can keep. And as paul said, placed a burden on them not even the fathers could keep.
Indeed, the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ; and once you have been trained by it to be obedient, it is no longer needed and you are no longer under it.

A child who is trained up by his tutors needs the tutors to correct him...once he has been trained by them, he will be obedient to their teachings without the need for correction by them. He will be obedient to their tutelage even after they are no longer with him because he is a son in the family and desires to represent his family well.

Here are the verses that I would bring to bear on what you have said, @eternally-gratefull:

Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Tit 2:11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 

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we have heard it before. Your not the first. You wont be the last
Of course! There was a time when I believed that I might be one of the two witnesses. Now I understand that I am living in the church age and if I am in fact anyone of such grandeur, that I might be the angel of the church of Philadelphia. ;):eek::cool:

Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood
 

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Two commands Jesus said,love God with all your soul,mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself .
Jesus added a new command that you love one another as I have loved you.

This is the perfect law of liberty we live by under the new covenant we have through the blood of Jesus.



OnceFallen will lock this thread if you cannot answer in love as brethren.
 

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Of course! There was a time when I believed that I might be one of the two witnesses. Now I understand that I am living in the church age and if I am in fact anyone of such grandeur, that I might be the angel of the church of Philadelphia. ;):eek::cool:

Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood




The above statement is very high minded.I'm sorry but you need a reality check in prayer.
Jesus said the least shall be greatest.
Humbiliness far outweighs some things said here in aggrogrance and makes a greater impact!
 

justbyfaith

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Two commands Jesus said,love God with all your soul,mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself .
Jesus added a new command that you love one another as I have loved you.

This is the perfect law of liberty we live by under the new covenant we have through the blood of Jesus.



OnceFallen will lock this thread if you cannot answer in love as brethren.
I certainly do not believe that I am answering with any kind of lack of love.

In answer to what you have said, I would mention this scripture,

1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

What commandments? To love one another? isn't that redundant?
 

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The above statement is very high minded.I'm sorry but you need a reality check in prayer.
Jesus said the least shall be greatest.
Humbiliness far outweighs some things said here in aggrogrance and makes a greater impact!
Somehow I knew that someone would go overboard over my statement.

I was not saying that I think that I am the angel of the church of Philadelphia.

I was actually humbling myself from that point to say that I am simply a man who knows what he is talking about.

While, I believe that when the church of Philadelphia comes about, there is going to have to be someone who fulfills the role in question.

And I know that I pray every night that the Lord will usher in the age of Philadelphia in the church.

So, whether I am its angel or not, I believe that I have a role in bringing about the fulfillment of the scriptures in question (Revelation 3).
 

justbyfaith

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Two commands Jesus said,love God with all your soul,mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself .
Jesus added a new command that you love one another as I have loved you.

This is the perfect law of liberty we live by under the new covenant we have through the blood of Jesus.



OnceFallen will lock this thread if you cannot answer in love as brethren.
Since I am the originator of this thread, it would be punishing me if OnceFallen were to close the thread.

Therefore, if it is others who are acting with a lack of love within this thread, it would be an unfair punishment to me for him to close it.

Since I have not been acting with a lack of love.
 
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