Our new relationship to the law.
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I respectfully disagree e-g! The Law should be discussed as did Paul discuss it in all his epistles.
Suppressing the Law breeds ignorance to the Law, and we fall in the trap.
It is my opinion we should learn all that Paul taught of the Law to avoid the ignorance of Law vs Grace.
This is a big problem today, all from a lack of knowledge of what Paul taught on Law.
Suppressing the Law breeds ignorance to the Law, and we fall in the trap.
It is my opinion we should learn all that Paul taught of the Law to avoid the ignorance of Law vs Grace.
This is a big problem today, all from a lack of knowledge of what Paul taught on Law.
If the 10 commandments are a "moral" law then not resting on saturdays would cause ALL Christians to feel guilt for going against the "moral law".
But they aren't a moral law.
Only legalists call it that. Because who would argue against morality? Surely not Christians.
If only you could understand the scripture you quoted. Do we make void the law through our faith?
The reason this statement HAD TO BE MADE is because Christians don't follow the law. But our faith in Christ is what produces the Fruit of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that the law describes. Our "knowledge" of the law is extremely wanting. So anyone who follows the law is really following their own imagination and will. What they "think" the law says.
Check out Matthew 5 for an explanation of what I am talking about. Especially the synopsis, Matthew 5:48
But they aren't a moral law.
Only legalists call it that. Because who would argue against morality? Surely not Christians.
If only you could understand the scripture you quoted. Do we make void the law through our faith?
The reason this statement HAD TO BE MADE is because Christians don't follow the law. But our faith in Christ is what produces the Fruit of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that the law describes. Our "knowledge" of the law is extremely wanting. So anyone who follows the law is really following their own imagination and will. What they "think" the law says.
Check out Matthew 5 for an explanation of what I am talking about. Especially the synopsis, Matthew 5:48
So, the purpose of the law is to get us to accept the fact that we are sinners...so that we can resign ourselves to a lifestyle of sinning and go on sinning for the rest of our lives.
"I'm a sinner; so I am going to sin."
On the one hand that might be taken as a statement of fact; in the case that it were true it might even be taken simply as a statement of fact.
But on the other hand it might be taken by the Lord as a statement of rebellious willful rebellion.
"I am going to sin because I am a sinner; so what is all this talk of repenting? There is no such thing."
This is a statement contrary to what scripture teaches the Lord wants for us.
Act 17:30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
"I'm a sinner; so I am going to sin."
On the one hand that might be taken as a statement of fact; in the case that it were true it might even be taken simply as a statement of fact.
But on the other hand it might be taken by the Lord as a statement of rebellious willful rebellion.
"I am going to sin because I am a sinner; so what is all this talk of repenting? There is no such thing."
This is a statement contrary to what scripture teaches the Lord wants for us.
Act 17:30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
I am aware of the fact that I study to shew myself approved unto God; a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I have placed a lot of study into being able to come to understand the holy scriptures; and continue to study every day in order to understand them better (Psalms 1).
It is not confidence in myself that leads me to want people to have the same insights that the Lord has given to me; but it is confidence in the Holy Spirit who dwells within me.
I know that I know that I know that I have Him because I have fulfilled the condition given in Acts 2:38-39 for receiving Him absolutely.
I believe therefore that I have an unction from the holy one and that I know all things (1 John 2:20)...that is, that I am able to discern truth from error and that that means that when I share things, they will be edifying to the body of Christ and also that they will have evangelistic value.
Because I believe that I have something special to contribute, I bump up my posts for the sake of new people who may have just arrived to these boards.
Of course in any situation where someone is doing the work of the Lord, there will be people who misunderstand and who will have problems with what you are saying. Jesus said that those whoa are righteous will be persecuted; and so did Paul (Matthew 5:10-12, Luke 6:22-23, 2 Timothy 3:10-12).
I have placed a lot of study into being able to come to understand the holy scriptures; and continue to study every day in order to understand them better (Psalms 1).
It is not confidence in myself that leads me to want people to have the same insights that the Lord has given to me; but it is confidence in the Holy Spirit who dwells within me.
I know that I know that I know that I have Him because I have fulfilled the condition given in Acts 2:38-39 for receiving Him absolutely.
I believe therefore that I have an unction from the holy one and that I know all things (1 John 2:20)...that is, that I am able to discern truth from error and that that means that when I share things, they will be edifying to the body of Christ and also that they will have evangelistic value.
Because I believe that I have something special to contribute, I bump up my posts for the sake of new people who may have just arrived to these boards.
Of course in any situation where someone is doing the work of the Lord, there will be people who misunderstand and who will have problems with what you are saying. Jesus said that those whoa are righteous will be persecuted; and so did Paul (Matthew 5:10-12, Luke 6:22-23, 2 Timothy 3:10-12).
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Of course, what I have been preaching, if you would follow it, is that we are no longer bound by the letter of the law but are set free to walk according to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).
In this, Jesus is our sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30)...even the fulfillment of the type that was given to us in the law of the sabbath.
In this, Jesus is our sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30)...even the fulfillment of the type that was given to us in the law of the sabbath.
Except that it has been prophesied over me that I have a gift of "the word of wisdom" by one, and of "teaching" by another.
So, if I neglected to operate in my spiritual gifts, I would be guilty.
Jesus said,
Mat 25:19, After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat 25:20, And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mat 25:21, His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:22, He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mat 25:23, His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:24, Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mat 25:25, And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mat 25:26, His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27, Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat 25:28, Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29, For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30, And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So, if I neglected to operate in my spiritual gifts, I would be guilty.
Jesus said,
Mat 25:19, After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat 25:20, And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mat 25:21, His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:22, He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mat 25:23, His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:24, Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mat 25:25, And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mat 25:26, His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27, Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat 25:28, Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29, For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30, And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
As we are unable to assess the reliability of the "prophet", we can only judge by fruit. I'll be straight with you: the fruit of your "ministry" here is not that of the Holy Spirit. There is far too much of your ego involved.
I haven't seen anything from you that I would describe as a "word of wisdom", and it is not something that you exercise whenever you want to; it is God's gift to His church through you, on His schedule and for His purposes, not yours.
As for teaching, you must first learn, and you do indeed have much to learn. Many others have attempted to correct you on many issues, and instead of humbly accepting correction, you have acted like a martyr and disparaged others. That is not the way to deal with people, and it indicates you are not ready to teach anyone.
Your statement demonstrates a profound ignorance of gifts in general, and of these two in particular.
One does not "operate" in the gift of teaching by attempting to teach in an inappropriate context. NOBODY invited you to teach on this site.
Ask God to prepare you for the role He has for you, and let Him confirm the gifting instead of you trying to make things happen. Ask Him to mature you so that there is far less "you" and far more "Him" when you do minister to others. When you are operating in the flesh, the result is resistance (from other believers), frustration and resentment (from you), and fruitlessness. When someone is operating in the Spirit, the people of God respond by making room and welcoming the Spirit's contribution. Consider how you have been received here, and ask yourself which is the better description.
I haven't seen anything from you that I would describe as a "word of wisdom", and it is not something that you exercise whenever you want to; it is God's gift to His church through you, on His schedule and for His purposes, not yours.
As for teaching, you must first learn, and you do indeed have much to learn. Many others have attempted to correct you on many issues, and instead of humbly accepting correction, you have acted like a martyr and disparaged others. That is not the way to deal with people, and it indicates you are not ready to teach anyone.
Your statement demonstrates a profound ignorance of gifts in general, and of these two in particular.
One does not "operate" in the gift of teaching by attempting to teach in an inappropriate context. NOBODY invited you to teach on this site.
Ask God to prepare you for the role He has for you, and let Him confirm the gifting instead of you trying to make things happen. Ask Him to mature you so that there is far less "you" and far more "Him" when you do minister to others. When you are operating in the flesh, the result is resistance (from other believers), frustration and resentment (from you), and fruitlessness. When someone is operating in the Spirit, the people of God respond by making room and welcoming the Spirit's contribution. Consider how you have been received here, and ask yourself which is the better description.
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I believe that I do have good things to contribute to the body of Christ and will continue to offer those things to the body here if given the opportunity.
It will not be well-received by some; others will receive it because they can see that the words being presented are of the Holy Spirit.
@Dino246, we have had our problems with each other and I think that what you say of me can also be applied to you. But since you are not utilizing these boards as a platform for teaching, but rather are here to disparage teachers who are trying to make salvational impact in people's lives, it is no skin off your back.
Again, I know that we have rubbed each other the wrong way; mainly because you apparently disagree with many of the insights that I have shared (which were given to me by the Holy Spirit).
It appears to be your goal to stop people from receiving the teaching that I have here to present.
That is to be expected from those who have a spirit contrary to the Holy Spirit whom I know that I know that I know, dwelleth within me.
You apparently think of yourself as a believer; but I would encourage you to go to 2 Corinthians 13:5 and do what it says.
Because your responses towards me tell me that your spirit is a spirit that is of the world.
Because the following verses are given to me as promises. Which I have obtained by faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).
Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
1Jo 4:4, Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
By these verses I have determined that you have the spirit of error.
'nuff said!
It will not be well-received by some; others will receive it because they can see that the words being presented are of the Holy Spirit.
@Dino246, we have had our problems with each other and I think that what you say of me can also be applied to you. But since you are not utilizing these boards as a platform for teaching, but rather are here to disparage teachers who are trying to make salvational impact in people's lives, it is no skin off your back.
Again, I know that we have rubbed each other the wrong way; mainly because you apparently disagree with many of the insights that I have shared (which were given to me by the Holy Spirit).
It appears to be your goal to stop people from receiving the teaching that I have here to present.
That is to be expected from those who have a spirit contrary to the Holy Spirit whom I know that I know that I know, dwelleth within me.
You apparently think of yourself as a believer; but I would encourage you to go to 2 Corinthians 13:5 and do what it says.
Because your responses towards me tell me that your spirit is a spirit that is of the world.
Because the following verses are given to me as promises. Which I have obtained by faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).
Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
1Jo 4:4, Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
By these verses I have determined that you have the spirit of error.
'nuff said!
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