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Cobus

Cobus

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Wordsponge how many people did Jesus baptize with water? NONE... that should be enough said, but to show you how little you know about the word of God and when water baptism became NOTHING.... I will show you with what John and Peter baptized AFTER they were APPOINTED APOSTLES... You do NOT understand the ONE BAPTISM.... Sorry to say water baptism does NOTHING, not even one grain to salvation... NOTHING... Not even when a holy Saint baptize you with water.... Philip was a holy Saint. Acts 8.

Look at Samaria (Acts 8)... they were ALL baptized with water, but NONE was saved.... Not a single one has recveived the Spirit of God after Philip baptized them in the NAME OF JESUS.... not ONE!!!! They were all just water dipped people.... Like ANY water baptized person they were only wet people.... The same dry person that entered the water, came out a wet person from the water.... NOTHING chaned but the clothes and the body from dry to wet....

And here is the thing.... Philip was WAY more powerful than you or any of the water baptizing crocodile Dundee men you think is God's sent baptizers.... God send ONE person to baptize with water.... John the Baptist... No other.... NOT ONE... It is only a Israeli tradition, nothing more.... John's was only a preperation for the REAL BAPTISM... Jesus' and JOHN TOLD YOU THAT...

So look what the Apostles did when they heard the Samarians accepted the Word of God.... Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Now tell me if you were John and Peter, that used to also baptize with water as Disciples, and then God filled them with the Holy Spirit and appointed them Apostles that can lay hands on people and they receive the Holy Spirit, what would you baptize with if you could also lay hands on people and they recieve the Holy Spirit, will you still baptize with water? NOPE!
 
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Cobus said:
Wordsponge how many people did Jesus baptize with water? NONE... that should be enough said, but to show you how little you know about the word of God and when water baptism became NOTHING.... I will show you with what John and Peter baptized AFTER they were APPOINTED APOSTLES... You do NOT understand the ONE BAPTISM.... Sorry to say water baptism does NOTHING, not even one grain to salvation... NOTHING... Not even when a holy Saint baptize you with water.... Philip was a holy Saint. Acts 8.

Look at Samaria (Acts 8)... they were ALL baptized with water, but NONE was saved.... Not a single one has recveived the Spirit of God after Philip baptized them in the NAME OF JESUS.... not ONE!!!! They were all just water dipped people.... Like ANY water baptized person they were only wet people.... The same dry person that entered the water, came out a wet person from the water.... NOTHING chaned but the clothes and the body from dry to wet....

And here is the thing.... Philip was WAY more powerful than you or any of the water baptizing crocodile Dundee men you think is God's sent baptizers.... God send ONE person to baptize with water.... John the Baptist... No other.... NOT ONE... It is only a Israeli tradition, nothing more.... John's was only a preperation for the REAL BAPTISM... Jesus' and JOHN TOLD YOU THAT...

So look what the Apostles did when they heard the Samarians accepted the Word of God.... Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Now tell me if you were John and Peter, that used to also baptize with water as Disciples, and then God filled them with the Holy Spirit and appointed them Apostles that can lay hands on people and they receive the Holy Spirit, what would you baptize with if you could also lay hands on people and they recieve the Holy Spirit, will you still baptize with water? NOPE!
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Hello Cobus,
If the LORD changed the rules for you then you are the exception.
Be cautious though, if you lead anyone astray, for whom Christ died, their blood could be upon you.
Jesus is dealing directly now.

Rev.21
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst (for the Spirit) of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev.22
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. (to Jesus)
And let him that heareth say, Come. (to Jesus)
And let him that is athirst come. (to Jesus)
And whosoever will, let him >> take the water of life freely.
 
Cobus

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Wordsponge I will NEVER lead people to h2O but I will lead them to the LIVING WATERS.... The Water Jesus talked about when He said this to the woman (the one that slept with man men) this.... If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

My friend the ONLY water Jesus EVER refer too is this water..... it is te same living aters that will flow from the bowels of the righteous men of God.... Do you knwo what this water is? We can get it only from ONE SOURCE.... Christ Jesus is the source...
It is one of the GIFTS FROM ABOVE.... Perfect gift I might add... It is what makes US FREE... IT IS THE WORD OF GOD...

The washing of the WATER BY THE WORD..... It is our WASH IN THE WORD... THE BAPTISM IN CHRSIT JESUS.... The Truth that makes us free, FREE INDEED, Jesus says.... This is the LIVING WATER.... The Truth/Word of God. Every Spirit Filled person will have it like rivers floeing from his belly... Look here what is Living Water....He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

One more thing I am not an aexeption, and I speak the Word of God with boldness. I will NEVER preach water (h2O0) baptsim, it is NOT Scriptural. God only sees ONE and DOES ONE BAPTISM.... He burns the old man with a Fire Baptism, and HE gives a "BORN OF GOD" NEW LIFE to the NEW creature/man with the Holy Spirit baptism. That is the ONLY baptism I will EVER preach.

I have nothing against a water baptism, but I also have nothing about a surfing session or water skiing session, they are ALL THE SAME.... NONE of them is SPIRITUAL....

You make it sound like it is God REQUIRES before He will give rebirth, and that IS NOT TRUE... Cornelius received the Spirit before and water baptism was perfecrmed on him or his people, and they ALL received the Spirit before any water was in sight. So that is proof WATER BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE..... Also Samaria was baptized with water, but they did NOT receive the Spirit... Again proof WATER BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE... It does not have to be done to ANY PERSON God wants to save.....

Water baptsin can be stopped and should have been stopped LONG AGO... It does not contribute one little bit to salvation... NONE!!!!


People NOBODY will go to hell or heaven if they were or were not water baptized..... It is SIN and SIN alone that sends you to HELL!!!! Water baptism is not sin, except if you argue about it. And it is also not SALVATION.... So waterbaptism is like a prayer God does not hear... It does NOTHING to your salvation, yet MANY does it...
 
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Cobus said:
Now tell me if you were John and Peter, that used to also baptize with water as Disciples, and then God filled them with the Holy Spirit and appointed them Apostles that can lay hands on people and they receive the Holy Spirit, what would you baptize with if you could also lay hands on people and they recieve the Holy Spirit, will you still baptize with water? NOPE!
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You're ignoring the fact that the people whom the apostles laid their hands on had already been baptized as evidence of their willingness to repent at the command of Christ. You also ignored the water baptism of Paul the apostle which was clearly significant in terms of curing his blindness, and the baptism of Jesus Christ himself. He himself said it wasn't strictly necessary, but necessary to fulfill all righteousness. So water baptism continues to be necessary, but it is not necessary to overemphasize its importance i.e. in terms of needing to be re-baptized, unless the original baptism was not actually in the name of Jesus.
 
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Hello Cobus,

You make good points.
Learning the Bible is not the point. Obedience is the key.
Obedience is friendship. What do you suppose disobedience is?
GOD has his word and you have yours.

1 Pet.1
[24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass.
the grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
[25] But the Word of the Lord (GOD) >> endures<< for ever.
And this is the Word (of GOD) which, by (the Apostles),
the gospel (good news about gifts from GOD) is preached unto you.

Acts.2
[38] Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized >> every one of you << (without exception)
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Isa.9
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, << (ORDERLINESS)
and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Luke.13
[23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved?
And he said unto them,
[24] Strive to enter in at the >> strait gate:<< (one entrance)
for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

The Holy Spirit in you will not contradict the Word from the highest.
Observe which (disobedient) faction contradicted Christ and the Apostles and their end.

Your are responsible for your actions and any people you teach.
So we know where we stand.

Take care.
 
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Kerry said:
Water baptism doesn't do anything to access God. The only way to access God is by the cross and nothing else.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. God is at your side 24/7 like it or not. You do not have to be someplace to find Him, He is there, wherever you are he be there toooo
 
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