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Only a legalist and modern day pharisee says there are steps one must do to earn salvation. There are no steps. Jesu spaid it all. The only step is Christ.

Do you trust Christ? or are you going to continue to trust self and men?
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Hello,

Jesus did not like the Phariesse but he taught obedience >>

Matt.28
[20] Teaching them to >> observe/ obey all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Gal.2
[17] If, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners,
is therefore Christ >> the minister of sin? God forbid.

Just trying to help.
Grace is great if you like the good life but you have to get it from Christ.
If you like where you are that is ok.
Take care.
 
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Hello,

Jesus did not like the Phariesse but he taught obedience >>

Matt.28
[20] Teaching them to >> observe/ obey all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Gal.2
[17] If, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners,
is therefore Christ >> the minister of sin? God forbid.

Just trying to help.
Grace is great if you like the good life but you have to get it from Christ.
If you like where you are that is ok.
Take care.
I agree.

But you can be obedient till you are blue in the face, and you will still be just as dead as the pharisees who also obeyed.

We are not saved by obedience (as shown in the law) but by faith in the work of Christ.

those truly saved will obey. It is an outward result of their repentance and faith in the words of God.
 
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I agree.

But you can be obedient till you are blue in the face, and you will still be just as dead as the pharisees who also obeyed.

We are not saved by obedience (as shown in the law) but by faith in the work of Christ.

those truly saved will obey. It is an outward result of their repentance and faith in the words of God.
My friend,

I am not talking about being righteous by law.

Coming to Christ is what I am trying real hard to communicate.
It was a very pleassnt surprise for everyone and on going.
People are getting old and finding that their faith is a dead end.
Many frustrated young people also. They feel like they have been lied too.
Many want Christianity destroyed.
I went the other way and KNOCKED hard and persistemtly and got help.
Give it some thought.
I am not asking for anything. Just trying to help.

Jas.1
[19] Wherefore, my beloved brethren,
let every man be >> swift to hear, >> slow to speak (CONSIDER CAREFULLY), slow to wrath:
[20] For the wrath of man
does not promote the righteousness (goodness/ gifts) of/ from God.

The majority of people I know have given up.
I still want to try.
GOD does work in a mystery because it is all invisibe.

Do not take any offence. It is not intended.

Be careful not to cause anyone, who Christ died for, to go astray.
Their blood could be upon you.

This return is the solution.
The people who wrote these Scriptures are, at minimun, from a dfferent culture.
Keep well my friend.
I am no danger. Just sweating to help.

Happiness awaits.
 
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Eternal do not understand what was law of Old Testament and what is humility,fast,repentance,baptism,communion and all other things which every Christian have to practice.That is very sadly thing.
Because of western absence of one body of Christ which is Church,which is always the same,today before 1000 or 2000years or for 200year,peoples of west world do not holding teaching of the Church fathers,but their own understanding of Bible or authors of the books who do not have any touch with Early Church.It isn't possible to have original understanding of Bible,meaning of Church and all Holy Mysteries.
But thank God,Orthodox Church on the west growing everyday and many faithful joining.Mostly of them converted when they researched history of Church and Early Church fathers.
Glory to the God!
IC XC NI KA
 
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There is only ONE baptism..... I will chose the ONE in RED... the Blue one any other person may coose but I will chose the One in RED AND CAPITAL LETTERS....

First let God confirms HE SEES ONLY ONE BAPTISM.....
Ephesians 4: 5 ... One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

And the ONE BAPTISM I CHOOSE....MARK 1:8, John the Baptist speaking........I indeed have baptized you with water: but HE SHALL BPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

Just to make sure you all understand what BAPTISM I choose.....I choose the baptism where Jesus Baptize me PERSONALLY with the HOLY GHOST.... AMEN!!!!
Hello,
Jesus anointed the Apostles and worked with them.
The Apostles taught water baptism, calling on Jesus, for forgiveness
and then Jesus will give you the Gift.
Jesus, being consistent, will not go against the enduring Word from GOD.
Try reading in the Acts of the Apostles.
The N.T. team is:
GOD the Father >> Jesus >> the Apostles ... until Jesus returns physicslly.

We were also very surprised.
Take care.
 
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So are you implying with your post that if someone is not joyful then its because they didn't get baptized right according to your formula outlined above?
Hello,
Grace to you and yours.
Truly it is not my formula.
It never occurred to me the teach the sent ones.
I was where most are now.
I am only trying to help.
People find faith only is a dead end.
When they are older it gets frustrating.
Young people feel lied to but they don't want to tell their parents and hurt the feelings.
They feel concern.
I spent time and effort and it paid off. Like Jesus said seek and you will find.
I am not asking for anything. I am attempting to give of what I have.
If I can alert someone to the access to the Grace from GOD and Christ,
then I am happy for them and I hope that they can help someone else.
GOD is invisble and his works are invisible. He is all around you but he is extremely smart.
Consider things and check the Acts of the Apostles.
If you ever perform the baptism , corretly, then you will run to help everyone.
Some of them will recommend medication for you
while they head off to church and GOD is in you.
Most people I know have given up on telling others but I still have strength and desire to help.
Keep well.
Christ died for all.
We must be careful how we handle his property.
The best to you.
 
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I think you play on words too much. There are plainly different baptisms, and not all baptisms occur at the same time. There is water baptism for repentance, fire baptism whereby a person is imbued with the ability to endure great suffering whether merited or not, to test his faith, and baptism of the Holy Spirit e.g. Pentecost, whereby a person becomes filled with joy. These different types of baptism can occur at different times in our lives. Often water baptism and spirit baptism are coterminous cf the baptism of Christ, who was filled with great joy after the spirit came upon him as a dove, which was also quickly followed by his temptation and suffering, but they can be separated, e.g. where a person is baptized prematurely and only later believes.

If a person has already undergone water baptism and then experiences a baptism of the spirit when he later believes, I think it is wrong to repeat the water baptism for spirit baptism will cure any defects in the water baptism. It is the duty of the church to perform water baptism as much as the duty of the believer to receive it but he should not receive it twice, as once is enough.
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Hello,

How are you?

When we make our on rules then that is wrong.

What I am saying is that if we become respectful,
accept the teachers that GOD has given to us and obey then things work out as written.
Our Israelite Apostles wer not Greel Philosophers nor eher they trained by such.
Their teacher was Christ who also worked with them.
Most people are sensible enough to read the Acts of the Apostlesand see fro themselves.
What people cannot face is what is in their mind and what they are reading.
I read a report about a retired R.C. doctor who decided to read the Bible since he now had the time.
After reading some He threw away the book and remarked:
"Either this is not a Christian Book or I am not a Christian."
That is what happens to a person who trusts others to teach him about GOD.
Anyway, the Bible works pout quote well for me.
I comply and there is no debate.
The Spirit does a lovely job.
Targetting me because of what the Bible says is not fair.
Target GOD he can gandle it.

I can guarantee that there are people who will hear.
GOD wants salvation for all but all can restist the Spirit and choose something else.
He knows what is truly in their mind.
Incidentally Paul baptized people a second time.
There are people who are misleading others and I am sure that their sheep will
watch the go to hell without one tear drop.
In my seeking I talked to many people.
Take care.
 
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oh I figured out your message.....it was kind of wandered a little.
Hello,

Thank you for the break.
May the Shepherd of the Sheep take you by the hand.

The Prophets were contradicted and killed.
Jesus was contradicted and killed.
The Apostles suffered the same.
The reason is that the people without the Spirit outnumber the anointed ones
and try to have things their way.
then they pray 'Thy wil be done.'
God had told Moses that the Gentiles were 'a foolish people.'
That was a long time ago and he is still right.
He meant foolish in the ways of GOD.
We mostly are still the same.
Our teachers are the Apostles.
When we follow them things VASTLY change.
The only unusual thing is calling Jesus from under the water.
Remember Jesus told that we must not give our pearls to swine.
It is some thing that the disciple can hide from others.
You have the right idea >> seek it out. GOD hides things.
If you want to know about any detail PM me.
It is free.
Take care.
 
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Eternal do not understand what was law of Old Testament and what is humility,fast,repentance,baptism,communion and all other things which every Christian have to practice.That is very sadly thing.
Because of western absence of one body of Christ which is Church,which is always the same,today before 1000 or 2000years or for 200year,peoples of west world do not holding teaching of the Church fathers,but their own understanding of Bible or authors of the books who do not have any touch with Early Church.It isn't possible to have original understanding of Bible,meaning of Church and all Holy Mysteries.
But thank God,Orthodox Church on the west growing everyday and many faithful joining.Mostly of them converted when they researched history of Church and Early Church fathers.
Glory to the God!
IC XC NI KA
Hello Sir,

If your people are truly staying with the enduring word
and have not changed anything then >>>

As Jesus said:"My sheep hear my voice..."
Many people listen and obey a substitute shepherd
and think that it is Jesus that they are obeying.
Some don't care.
Our Teachers are the Apostles.
Many Church Fathers did not like them and called the 'rustic.'
The Sheep will hear and Jesus will gather the true flock.
Keep well.
GOD does not miss his target.
He is scary smart.
 
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I disagree with you here, if the cross is the only access to God, how did David have access to God about 1000 years prior to the stake (the word is stauros - stake)?

And yet we read...

Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
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Hello friend,

I like you mentioning David.
Their clue was respect/ fear of the LORD.
Most of us have no real comprehension of what that is
or else all of the opinions would disappear and compliance to the Apostles would be stead fast.
I gather that you are a thinking person
Keep it up.
My best to you and yours.
 
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Hello Sir,

If your people are truly staying with the enduring word
and have not changed anything then >>>

As Jesus said:"My sheep hear my voice..."
Many people listen and obey a substitute shepherd
and think that it is Jesus that they are obeying.
Some don't care.
Our Teachers are the Apostles.
Many Church Fathers did not like them and called the 'rustic.'
The Sheep will hear and Jesus will gather the true flock.
Keep well.
GOD does not miss his target.
He is scary smart.
Holy Fathers called Apostles rustics?Sorry but that is not truth.I would like to see where have u read it??
 
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Eternal do not understand what was law of Old Testament and what is humility,fast,repentance,baptism,communion and all other things which every Christian have to practice.That is very sadly thing.

Do you not understand that ALL of those things were taught under law? It is so sad you have been fooled into thinking the things required of God for his people today were not also of his people back then.

Because of western absence of one body of Christ which is Church,which is always the same,today before 1000 or 2000years or for 200year,peoples of west world do not holding teaching of the Church fathers,but their own understanding of Bible or authors of the books who do not have any touch with Early Church.It isn't possible to have original understanding of Bible,meaning of Church and all Holy Mysteries.
But thank God,Orthodox Church on the west growing everyday and many faithful joining.Mostly of them converted when they researched history of Church and Early Church fathers.
Glory to the God!
IC XC NI KA
The church has been the same for 6000 years now.

Humility
Repentnance
Faith
Love
and all the little ritual thrown in, Each different for each point of time. But each representing the same spiritual truth in a different way according to what purpose God had at that time.

and that salvation for Adam, For Noah, For Abraham and David and Daniel was the same as it is for you and I.

The jews destroyed Gods salvation by faith, and added a bunch of works. The roman church did the same, and you fell hook line and sinker into the trap.
 
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Again ,u want to equal Roman Church which was Orthodox in confession of Faith with Roman Catholicism which is something different.I won't let u that!
Next,Jesus Christ showed to us how looks real Humility,Prayer,Fast,Communion,Baptism itc.Trough his whole life on earth he sent the same message,repentance.We as Christians have to copy all those things in our lifes to become as He is!That is why we have to do that.Nothing law is necessary.Law was something other.Meaning of law was symbolic,to remember Jews on Messiah who will save them,but they didn't understood Him when He came.They till nowadays hold it as in Moses time.
Holy Mysteries are essential things for Salvation and law couldn't offer that.
Open your eyes man,and read Holy Fathers,they will explain u much better then i try.
 
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Again ,u want to equal Roman Church which was Orthodox in confession of Faith with Roman Catholicism which is something different.I won't let u that!
Next,Jesus Christ showed to us how looks real Humility,Prayer,Fast,Communion,Baptism itc.Trough his whole life on earth he sent the same message,repentance.We as Christians have to copy all those things in our lifes to become as He is!That is why we have to do that.Nothing law is necessary.Law was something other.Meaning of law was symbolic,to remember Jews on Messiah who will save them,but they didn't understood Him when He came.They till nowadays hold it as in Moses time.
Holy Mysteries are essential things for Salvation and law couldn't offer that.
Open your eyes man,and read Holy Fathers,they will explain u much better then i try.
Thank you.

I read the Holy Fathers they are called the Apostles.
Their names are still in the Book.
when we do then we will get Spititual understanding.
I am only trying to pass on what works for everyone.
I do not support a Church.
I know the prophecies.
Read the Acts of the Apostles and recover yourself.
Do you know that it was the Jewish leaders who misled their people?
Do you know that it was predicted to repeat?
I did my share of seeking.
Keep well.
 
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Holy Fathers called Apostles rustics?Sorry but that is not truth.I would like to see where have u read it??
Hello,
Many things are written.
If the Bible is the Word of GOD then stick with it.
If the Apostles say to baptise calling on Jesus then do that.
Do it correctly or else if you get wet only don't blame anyone else.
If you can find a nazarite (Israelite) ask him how to baptize.
It is easy for an unbiased person.
Many people want Christianity destroyed because of the deadness.
With good sweat I found out differently.
Go wherever you are happy.
If GOD calls you to his son then go.
Keep well.
 
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no cobus. The chaff (old man) is not baptised into the fire that shall never be quenched. The unbeliever will. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth.

There is one baptism (HS) not many (HS WATER AND FIRE)

AGAIN you add words to God's Word... Jesus does NOT baptize with water.... not H2O.... Do not add EG, please..

Here is the Fire of God.... that HE BAPTIZE with.... It is NOT the eternal hell fire, this is a HOLY FIRE.... Butns away the chaff, the OLD MAN in this FIRE BAPTISM, and it is NOT going to last forever.... The moment that LAST SAVED PERSON ENTERS, that fire will NEVER be used again.... and the Spirit of God will NEVER be given another person....

Look at this FIRE EG, I thought you knew more about this, I am dissappointed in your knowledge about this, Oh are you still on milk?

Here... what fire is this HELL or GOD?... For our God is a consuming fire. And this one(This is the fire God baptize with...)
Also this fire.... For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

This is the fire evil will endure for a lvery long time.... but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
This is the fire of hell not BAPTISM FIRE.... This one will burn forever...

I really thought you would know the two fires, but then I know you know it now! Keep studying my friend... And do not reject a single vers, it fits perfectly in the Holy Eternally Greatful God has in store for you....
 
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So Fire IS part of the CLEANSING.... I LOVE you bring up the chaff and the wheat.... The SHAFF IS THE OLD MAN.... EG, the OLD MAN IS BURNT.... To ash and less.... The Fire Baptism gets RID OF THE OLD MAN, and the SPIRIT BAPTISM IS THE NEW MAN....
Jesus is the NEW YOU, the OLD YOU IS BURNT...

Sin, and the heart of sin the OLD man is SCHAFF and the WIND is the sanctification ... The WORD OF GOD.... So here is all the BAPTISM for you....

When god comes, he calls the old man... sinner... and the sinner repent and God SEPERATES.. the FAN IS THE WORD.... The Word of God we learn and obey, is how the old man is SEPERATED from the NEW MAN... the Word Seperates us from the OLD man... then the old man is BURNT IN THE FIRE.... GONE DEAD AND BURNT TO NOTHING.... Then God gives the Spirit to be a NEW creature in the Baptism of the Spirit.... And See there, Christ Jesus lives in flesh AGAIN....

That is the ONE BAPTISM.... Fire and Spirit... Fire to get rid ot the old man FOR GOOD, and Spirit to make the NEW MAN ALIVE IN CHRIST.... WOW!!!
Hello Cobus,

Was all of that work done in you without crossing over to Christ through baptism?
Common brother, do not represent the LORD as a varying person.
If he did all of that in you just by reading then you are the exception.
It took me over 20 years of seeking and of learning then the LORD Jesus personally helped me.

Keep well brother.