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Sis Lynn, is that a restaurant or your backyard garden? Man, all those flowers and plants are magnificent!! And you're the prettiest flower there. *hugs*
Love to you, sister!!
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Southside sugar and steak! ;)

Lol, great vid and song!
Didn't understand a word of it.
Didn't care. Whistle my way anyday, lol.

I missed it a bit, timewise, but I'm kinda
missing the 60's-70's of peace and love,

maybe it went to far with too many people
sharing sox, (I wouldn't know :( ), but it seemed
like people wore what they wore and there was

more freedom and less judgementalism, and at least
The IDEA of love one anotherwas there,
not so many sticks in the mud.

Summer's coming, I'm looking to get out
from under the winter wraps, :cool: but uh-oh...
Sometimes less is more. Help me, Lord.
(sigh) That's just my long (pants) and shorts of it) ;)
 
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kaylagrl

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I won't go to a church where a woman co pastors. Men have to be men and women have to be women or people start being in the grand scheme of things where they stop following order and start being homosexual, disobedient to parents, effeminate, etc.

As a women with female pastors through out her family I take deep offense to that. Very deep offense. These women felt a call on their lives and served the Lord for years.


Consider the following...

Galatians 3:28, “In Christ now there is neither bond nor free, Scythian nor Barbarian, male nor female; all are one in Christ Jesus.”

Philip had three daughters who prophesied,in Romans it talks of Andronicus and Junia. Junia, a woman, Paul called fellow apostles. No where in the NT are women forbidden from prophesying.

proph·e·sy-To reveal by divine inspiration. 2)To predict the future with certainty. 3)To reveal the will or message of God;speak or write as a prophet.

But a woman cannot preach? That doesn't seem sensible does it,considering they were allowed to speak in prophesy,before men, as long as their heads were covered.

Peter said "
“This is what was spoken of by the prophet Joel when he said, ‘The day will come when the Holy Spirit comes upon His people, God’s people, and young men and young women shall prophesy.

The Holy spirit was given to BOTH men and women on the day of Pentecost,not men alone.

In the verses on Martha and Mary,Mary was found sitting at the feet of Jesus learning from the Torah,that was something only men were allowed to do. When Martha complained Jesus told her Mary had chosen the better thing to do.

When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, not only did Jews not associate with Samaritans but women did not talk to men without a husband present. Jesus own disciples were amazed that He was talking to the woman. But Jesus showed her the truth of the Gospel showing how important women were to Him.

The command for women to be silent was speaking to that church and those women at that period of time. Otherwise why would women be allowed to prophesy? It doesn't make sense. The Nt also talks about women not cutting their hair, or wearing jewelry but women do both today and are not considered sinful.

The great commission tells us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, this is a commandment for all saints. But a woman is forbidden to preach from a stage? We don't care if she is a missionary and preaches to the Africans or Muslims and far reaches of the earth just not to white men in America? Does that seem right? Does it make sense?

Catherine Booth was a preacher,and women down through history have led people to the Lord. God used these women,sometimes alongside their husbands sometimes alone. It seems odd that women were given the right and responsibility to vote the leader of the country into office but can not preach behind a pulpit.Feminism didn't give women freedom JESUS did!




 
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Isaiah 3:12
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."
I have seen so many verses quoted on this site out of context. This example is not even close to refuting my statement for a number of reasons.
First, on its surface, it seems to be saying that woman are exclusively ruling over Gods people. You stressed that yourself with the bold.
Second, we need to look at this in its context.
Here is the pulpit bible commentary on this:

Verse 12. - As for my people. Return is now made to the sins of the dwellers in Jerusalem, and the first thing noted is that the people suffer from the childishness and effeminacy of their rulers. The rulers are called "oppressors" by the way here, the sin of oppression being dwelt on later (vers. 14, 15). Here the emphatic words are "children," "women." Children (see ver. 4). The rulers are "children," or rather "babes" - foolish, capricious, cowardly. It is not clear that any prince in particular is meant; rather, by the plural form, the upper class generally seems to be intended, as in Isaiah 1:10, 17, 23, etc.
Women; comp. Herod., 8:88, where Xerxes says that "his men have shown themselves women, and his women men;" and see also Virg., 'AEneid '- "O vere Phrygia, neque enim Phryges.
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The rulers were womanly, i.e. weak, wavering, timid, impulsive, passionate, and are therefore called actual "women." There is no allusion to female sovereigns.

Repeat, there is no allusion to female sovereigns.

Lastly, the situation you are using as a comparison is not even relevant. This is not even an apples and oranges comparison. Apples and cell phones alarm clocks have more in common then what you are putting out there. I am speaking about the the church of the NT and you are using the OT verse about Israel in captivity. How do you even equate that??
 
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Bzzzz, you came close but no cigar. You didn't "own up to it." You excused it and then put it back on me. Not ever!

I don't like Joyce Meyer either, but I'm not judging her as a slab of meat like you did. I don't like her teachings. You are offensive because you DID take your dislike to looks and you were cruel about it. And you DID verbalize it.

If you think i take it to your low levels, here is how I did judge a man recently verbally.

My husband's attending physician changed. The old one left and a new one took her place. I asked who he was. Hubby hadn't met him but he said the nurses said the guy was tall and good looking.

Later on, we did meet him. And I did look. And I did form opinions about him.

When he left, I asked hubby if he thought he was good looking. Hubby thought so, (in a guy kind of way. lol)

I asked him if he thought Peyton Manning was good looking.

He shrugged, and then said "kinda."

I said, "The doctor reminds me of Peyton Manning. I can see where women fawn over him. He has a good physique, but the face just doesn't do it for me. Not ugly. Just not my kind of face. More like Ron Howard when he was young. Charming, but not handsome."

As for if I liked him? Nope.

But I'm not comparing him to a street walker, a skank, or the Joker either. Women use words often. Notice we don't have the vocabulary for men, like men have for women. What ticks me off is the vocabulary the men use on here -- supposedly "good Christian men" -- is no different than the language used at the corner tappy!

So, you didn't own it. You excused it and put it back on me.

Melita has a good question, although she didn't expect me to take it here. How many "men" do we have on this site? Because I've been watching a few boys using this site like a street corner to check out the girls going by.

You're NOT "entitled" to your opinion. You're entitled to God's opinion. Act like it.

And, dagnabit, a woman IS schooling the boys right now! I'm still no pastor!
I did own up to it...She reminds me of the joker...that's just the way it's going to be for me....and you won't change that opinion of mine at all :) I don't care if you call me low level or what not....everyone is entitled to their own opinions....
One could say you are judging the doctor by saying he looks like peyton manning (a doofy looking guy imo)
So if your saying yes she visually reminds me of the joker (like you did with the doctor) yes then according to your definition I judged her....big whoop....
I never advocated calling any woman a skank etc.....
Every human is entitled to their own opinion...that is why God created free will and didn't make us robots...
People these days refuse to call things as they see them for fear of retribution....

If a guy came with long hair, holes in his jeans, looked scruffy and smelled bad you would call him a bum or homeless....is that not judging as well???

Men and women judge each other consciously or un-consciously verbally or non-verbally it's a fact of life....no amount of political correctness will change that inate behavior...you may not verbalize it but you judge every person you meet throughout the day....based on their clothing, demeanor, actions etc....
 
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I won't go to a church where a woman co pastors. Men have to be men and women have to be women or people start being in the grand scheme of things where they stop following order and start being homosexual, disobedient to parents, effeminate, etc.
Frankly, to me, you are not a man if you have to find some excuse to view women as beneath you.
 

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I suspect you are responding to someone else's post, but you didn't quote them so I will take your comment on its own terms.

Frankly, this is an attempt at justifying sin. Men are NOT designed (by God) to lust, or to look at women who are dressed in any particular way. It is the sin nature within us that gives the proclivity to lust.

Job 31:1 "I have made a covenant with my eyes; How then could I gaze at a virgin?" (NASB)
"I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman." (NIV)

By conscious control of our eyes, we can avoid looking at all. Or, if we do see something which could prompt lustful thoughts, we can look away, or look only at a woman's face, not her body. It might take practice, but it is possible. Honouring God by treating all people, women and men, as image-bearers of God is worth the effort.
We should not look. We should purpose in our hearts to not sin. So true. It can be done, because I have had conversations with men, and indeed I know from my own experiences. Just don't look. Don't allow sin to captivate. Look at a woman who is dressed in a provocative manner as a person, if one is looking at all, and realize despite that she may be drawing attention to herself that before anything else she may be, she is a creation of God, deserving of respect if for no other reason then that.

While men are not designed to lust, science has proven we are visually attracted to certain shapes.
 
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We should not look. We should purpose in our hearts to not sin. So true. It can be done, because I have had conversations with men, and indeed I know from my own experiences. Just don't look. Don't allow sin to captivate. Look at a woman who is dressed in a provocative manner as a person, if one is looking at all, and realize despite that she may be drawing attention to herself that before anything else she may be, she is a creation of God, deserving of respect if for no other reason then that.

While men are not designed to lust, science has proven we are visually attracted to certain shapes.

Some women know how to get a mans attention. Is it Proverbs that talks of these women? They know how to dress,talk and walk to get attention. I've seen them in action. Flipping their hair,watching to see who is looking at them. They know well how to capture a mans attention. Especially married men. If you fall for their charms,if you look their way too long they will take you "down to the grave". The Bible warns of these type of women. Samson lost the anointing because he had no self control against such a woman. Men had better know the difference and discern these types of females and teach their sons also. Ive seen woman who aren't even attractive be able to attract men because they were so good at playing the game.
 

JosephsDreams

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Women are covering up in burkas now. Exactly when is enough enough to placate men? When do men take on the responsibility of dealing with seeing women? Because, despite how I dress and how old I am, I STILL get wolf calls!

Where's the thread about men dressing provocatively? Because they do and we deal.

Stop blaming the women!!!
I am not blaming woman for a mans misconduct Lynn !!
Buts lets talk real world here. If a woman dresses a certain way, she is provoking attention. What woman is blind to that?
I will admit that it may not always be because she is vying for the attention of men, but who can deny it very well may be, and that she is then a factor in causing temptation?
What is the problem with modesty?
 
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I have seen so many verses quoted on this site out of context. This example is not even close to refuting my statement for a number of reasons.
First, on its surface, it seems to be saying that woman are exclusively ruling over Gods people. You stressed that yourself with the bold.
Second, we need to look at this in its context.
Here is the pulpit bible commentary on this:

Verse 12. - As for my people. Return is now made to the sins of the dwellers in Jerusalem, and the first thing noted is that the people suffer from the childishness and effeminacy of their rulers. The rulers are called "oppressors" by the way here, the sin of oppression being dwelt on later (vers. 14, 15). Here the emphatic words are "children," "women." Children (see ver. 4). The rulers are "children," or rather "babes" - foolish, capricious, cowardly. It is not clear that any prince in particular is meant; rather, by the plural form, the upper class generally seems to be intended, as in Isaiah 1:10, 17, 23, etc.
Women; comp. Herod., 8:88, where Xerxes says that "his men have shown themselves women, and his women men;" and see also Virg., 'AEneid '- "O vere Phrygia, neque enim Phryges.
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The rulers were womanly, i.e. weak, wavering, timid, impulsive, passionate, and are therefore called actual "women." There is no allusion to female sovereigns.

Repeat, there is no allusion to female sovereigns.

Lastly, the situation you are using as a comparison is not even relevant. This is not even an apples and oranges comparison. Apples and cell phones alarm clocks have more in common then what you are putting out there. I am speaking about the the church of the NT and you are using the OT verse about Israel in captivity. How do you even equate that??
Comments such as Phil's making against woman are just carnal. It's the spirit of self-righteousness (of which we all are prone to in the flesh) and he doesn't recognize it yet. Either he's been hurt by a woman in his past or he's just brainwashed with some churchy dogma. Either way, the Holy Spirit is the One who reveals the truth to us.

Nonetheless, it's pure ignorance for us to think quoting a scripture gives us a license to be spiteful and critical of others. If it doesn't look like Jesus, it ain't Jesus. Plain and simple. (That goes quadruple for me, because I'm pointing my finger.)
 
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I must say, even with a woman dressing modestly, there are some men who will look.

Now, I don't get a lot of attention from the opposite sex. I dress modestly, but I have seen a guy here and there glance at me a certain way.
 
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Mitspa

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I must say, even with a woman dressing modestly, there are some men who will look.

Now, I don't get a lot of attention from the opposite sex. I dress modestly, but I have seen a guy here and there glance at me a certain way.
I can tell a lot about a fellow Christian brother (where they really are spiritually) by just hanging out with them around mixed company and seeing what catches their eyes.. We all can be weak, but a man really seeking Christ will be very careful about where he lets his thoughts and desires go.
 

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Wow this thread blew up in a day.

What does the Bible say or teach about women preaching the Word of God?

Example:
How about " Paster Joyce Meyer "
Women leaders exist in the bible, as an exception to the norm. God often creates exceptions to turn our dogma on its head and to invalidate the world's shallow sense of its own power and glory.

However, the norm was also set up by God, in which man was set up as a leader. One major reason this offends people now, is because people tend to think your status or position determines your worth. (It doesn't. Your heart and the quality of its service do.) On top of that there is a lot of toxicity injected between men and women (by the enemy, to divide) and then it is used to twist people's perceptions of the systems God set up (to separate us from Truth).

For example, people experience an abusive male husband/father who uses verses to validate his behavior. Or a controlling male pastor who does the same. So this is used strategically by the enemy to cut people off from the -positive, healthy- way that these roles are meant to work. God set up the gender roles, not to -become- our truth but to teach us about greater eternal Truth. People become disconnected from the Truth, by the weaponized lies and the pain they cause. A lot of how the world sees the past, sexism and racism, worldly progress and worldly ethics, are birthed from this disconnection.

So I would say, it's not offensive for a woman to be in authority over a man if God has clearly put that woman in that position. However, God has generally put men in that position, and this also shouldn't be offensive. The roles of men and women exist to teach us about leadership, and about service, and everyone has to learn the lessons that are taught by both roles. If a woman wants a position over men because of 'equality' and to prove her worth, she is not emulating Christ who humbled himself and became a servant. She is doing it of her own ego and worldly ethics.

What if Christ demanded that he not become a human because it was beneath him? The world is saying to many women nowadays, the old role of a woman (servant) is beneath you. But it is the highest position, it's close to Christ, and it's very powerful. And Christ also shows men that you can't lead unless you are doing it as a servant. The role that men have does not give them greater worth than women so they should have humility in it.

God can change the norms and the roles if he wants, but what is happening nowadays, is the enemy using the deluding power of pain to shift the norm... to cover up what God was showing us through the roles God established.
 
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There is the tempter and tempted.
The first earthly sin displayed this. The pattern was set.
Adam and Eve conspired in sin jointly. Read between the lines. Man and woman influence each other.
The bible speaks about those who tempt others into sin. It is not a pretty picture.
Obviously it also speaks about the sinners responsibility.
The tempter and the those who fall into the temptation are both following their selfish impulses.
To deny that humans interact with each other and can be stumbling blocks is not biblical, and I think foolish.
 
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coby

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I am not blaming woman for a mans misconduct Lynn !!
Buts lets talk real world here. If a woman dresses a certain way, she is provoking attention. What woman is blind to that?
I will admit that it may not always be because she is vying for the attention of men, but who can deny it very well may be, and that she is then a factor in causing temptation?
What is the problem with modesty?
We had women in church who dressed so immodest, even with a wedding, my ex asked them to put on a jacket.
Heard one man say he couldn't concentrate on the preaching because how the women dressed. I mean half open blouses or extremely tight, in church. Insane.
Sometimes I'm glad I'm a woman. They never bombard women with those pictures of men that you don't want to see.
There was a preacher here. He saw a billboard of an underwear commercial next to the highway. He said he needed prayer to get rid of the image. That's not a man's fault, but if they dress normal and men still have that I'd go for prayer.
 

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We were not created to deal with all the evil that is in the world and our sin nature.

We were created to Glorify God and have fellowship with Him. When the fall happened we desperately still wanted to have that lost relationship with Him. We weren't meant to have to deal with death, and hate, and lust, and greed, and emotional distress, and... on and on. Praise God that He sent His Son to RESTORE us to that relationship!!
I think that's what is going on here. We are taking our eyes off of Jesus and on our differences. Saying "you shouldn't do this and how dare you say that!"

Love and rejoice in our differences and don't feed our nature that doesn't want what the Holy Spirit wants to give us. Which His fruits.

Peace, Grace and Love to you all.
 
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Mitspa

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There is the tempter and tempted.
The first earthly sin displayed this. The pattern was set.
Adam and Eve conspired in sin jointly. Read between the lines. Man and woman influence each other.
The bible speaks about those who tempt others into sin. It is not a pretty picture.
Obviously it also speaks about the sinners responsibility.
The tempter and the those who fall into the temptation are both following their selfish impulses.
To deny that humans interact with each other and can be stumbling blocks is not biblical, and I think foolish.
If a man (or a woman) who claims to be a Christian has "eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin" The issue is not what women wear.. That person has allowed satan to gain control of their minds and hearts.