PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

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VCO

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JESUS Himself was a Patriot. He made numerous Patriotic Statements about about ISRAEL, as well as JERUSALEM.

Our Forefathers, wrote Patriotism in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance, and many other famous American Documents. WHAT HAPPENED? WHY IS PATRIOTISM DYING OUT?

Ezekiel 34:30-31 (NRSV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] They shall know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are my people, says the Lord God.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] You are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture and I am your God, says the Lord God.

Psalm 81:13 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Oh, that My people would listen to Me, That Israel would walk in My ways!

Matthew 2:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the leaders of Judah: because out of you will come a leader who will shepherd My people Israel.”

Matthew 23:37 (NKJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Matthew 5:35 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.


See, JESUS remained Patriotic, even when leaders were evil.

I went to nothing BUT Public Schools, because we could not afford Private Schools, HOWEVER:

When I went to School the Ten Commandment were Framed and Hung in the main hallway of the School.

When I went to School saying the Pledge of Allegiance, was done every morning in School.

When I went to School the School Library, in the Main Study Hall, had four copies of the Bible.

When I went to School, we could pray in School, some of the Teachers lead the Prayers, especially our COACH.

When I went to School, we sang some hymns both in Boys Glee and in the HS Choir.

When I went to School, we had Baccalaureate Services every year, where all the local Ministers gave short sermons.

When LIBERALS pushed there anti-God agenda onto the rest of America, PATRIOTISM was the NEXT thing they attacked.

NOW anti-Patriotic attitudes are openly and proudly displayed,

Patriots are made fun of or ridiculed.

Disrespect for the FLAG is Blatant, and CHEERED.

ANTI-USA protesters and slogans are spreading like a CANCER.

Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


I REPEAT:
WHAT HAPPENED? ? ?

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I want this debate to be open to EVERYONE, and EVERY topic Related to Patriotism.

I expect PATRIOTS and NON-PATRIOTS to join in.

I know this will lead to a heated debate, so CHECK YOURSELF and PUT A REIGN ON YOUR TONGUE. We do not WANT ANY ARGUMENTS. Stop at the level of Heated Debate.

Hint:
Zealously STANDING UP FOR YOUR BELIEFS is a Heated Debate.
Name Calling is an Argument.
 

Budman

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When I went to School the Ten Commandment were Framed and Hung in the main hallway of the School.

When I went to School saying the Pledge of Allegiance, was done every morning in School.

When I went to School the School Library, in the Main Study Hall, had four copies of the Bible.

When I went to School, we could pray in School, some of the Teachers lead the Prayers, especially our COACH.

When I went to School, we sang some hymns both in Boys Glee and in the HS Choir.

Same here. Too bad those days are but fond memories now.

I believe this nation is too far gone. I believe we are now under the curse of God for allowing:

Our leaders to turn their backs on Israel.

The murder of millions of our children via abortion.

The acceptance of the homosexual agenda.

Pornography and perversity to be taught to our children in school, and via mass media.

The destruction of our Christian heritage.

Etc., and etc.


Good post, btw.
 

Yonah

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Shalom, we don't need patriots, we need more believers to speak out against the evil done in the earth, this is not about our country, this is about precious souls that our beloved Savior died for.
Any nation, kingdom, or country, who once was abundantly blessed by the creator of the universe, turns its back on Him, not only will they lose their nation, (as did Israel) but many will lose their souls as well. We as soldiers in this war for souls need to draw close to our source of strength and life and fight. our weapons are NOT carnal, and we all get our orders from Him who died, and yet lives for us, and in us.
do you think He will in any way advocate sin? do you think that He is well able to empower anyone who chooses to not only overcome sin but to stand against it? how long will the believers continue to be paralyzed by complacency and failure to meet the enemy of our souls in the real battle. we don't need patriots, we need warriors, we need more who will no longer stand for redefining marriage , redefining even the basics of goodness and righteousness.
we need to stop whining about who isn't doing what and get on our faces and get our marching orders....
we need to be strong in Him and in the power of His word. we need to show this dark and dying world the light that never fades, and the love that never ends.
 
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Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation which an individual recognizes as theirhomeland. This attachment, also known as national feeling or national pride, can be viewed in terms of different features relating to one's own nation, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to those ofnationalism.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism; another related term is jingoism.

Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy.[SUP][1][/SUP] Jingoism also refers to a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism.

With so much pride involved, HOW can it be biblical? IMO, US patriotism is blind patriotism. I wouldn't diss our veterans for nothing, I respect them..... but..... if they knew the truth of what they really fought for, they'd be patriots no more.

Their Gov't they fight for is secretive, starting revolutions in countries that don't have a Rothchild-run bank. This nation WILL reap what it sows.
 
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Same here. Too bad those days are but fond memories now.

I believe this nation is too far gone. I believe we are now under the curse of God for allowing:

Our leaders to turn their backs on Israel.

The murder of millions of our children via abortion.

The acceptance of the homosexual agenda.

Pornography and perversity to be taught to our children in school, and via mass media.

The destruction of our Christian heritage.

Etc., and etc.


Good post, btw.
No doubt that judgment is coming, and very soon.
Those who think Trump or any other politician can save this nation is foolishness.
Although there are Godly people in this nation, they are very few and far between.
Many, if not most who claim to be Christian are deceiving themself.
We had best be busy and prepaired.
 

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Since our true citizenship is in heaven, we need more understanding and revelation about that in our lives. I don't really pledge allegiance to Australia but that doesn't mean I don't have a heart for the land...I should have more of a heart for the people in the land where I currently live but I find I'm more pining for the people of Tasmania (which is where God is having us move to)
 

VCO

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Shalom, we don't need patriots, we need more believers to speak out against the evil done in the earth, this is not about our country, this is about precious souls that our beloved Savior died for.
Any nation, kingdom, or country, who once was abundantly blessed by the creator of the universe, turns its back on Him, not only will they lose their nation, (as did Israel) but many will lose their souls as well. We as soldiers in this war for souls need to draw close to our source of strength and life and fight. our weapons are NOT carnal, and we all get our orders from Him who died, and yet lives for us, and in us.
do you think He will in any way advocate sin? do you think that He is well able to empower anyone who chooses to not only overcome sin but to stand against it? how long will the believers continue to be paralyzed by complacency and failure to meet the enemy of our souls in the real battle. we don't need patriots, we need warriors, we need more who will no longer stand for redefining marriage , redefining even the basics of goodness and righteousness.
we need to stop whining about who isn't doing what and get on our faces and get our marching orders....
we need to be strong in Him and in the power of His word. we need to show this dark and dying world the light that never fades, and the love that never ends.
HOWEVER a strong Christian is ALWAYS also a Patriot.

"SHA-ALU SHALOM YIRUSHALAYIM"

Matthew 22:21 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They say unto him, Caesar's.
Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

PATRIOTIC HEROES OF THE BIBLE:

JOSHUA
GIDEON
DAVID
SAMSON
PETER
ETC.

Please add to that list, and then, rethink if GOD still want us to Patriotic.

1 Samuel 17:45 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

Psalm 89:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?

NOW look how the modern English Versions translate that, because "hosts" is a Military Term:

Psalm 89:8 (GW)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] O LORD God of Armies, who is like you? Mighty LORD, even your faithfulness surrounds you.

Psalm 89:8 (BBE)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] O Lord God of armies, who is strong like you, O Jah? and your unchanging faith is round about you.


God is still PATRIOTIC towards ISRAEL He will forgive and restore ISRAEL, perhaps even very soon:

Psalm 103:7-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He revealed His ways to Moses, His deeds to the people of Israel.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and rich in faithful love.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.

Jeremiah 30:3-4 (HCSB)

[SUP]3 [/SUP] for the days are certainly coming”—⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration—“when I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel and Judah”—the LORD’s declaration. “I will restore them to the land I gave to their ancestors and they will possess it.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the words the LORD spoke to Israel and Judah.






 
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Yonah

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my allegiance is not to any country... it is to the King of the universe. I will never swear allegiance to any other.
 

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VCO,

Our Forefathers, wrote Patriotism in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance




Correction: the Pledge of Allegiance was written by SOCIALIST peacenik Francis Bellamy in 1892. Our Founders were all dead well before then.



WHY IS PATRIOTISM DYING OUT?

Before we can answer that you must first prove your statement.

Please supply evidence that patriotism is dying out.






When LIBERALS pushed there anti-God agenda onto the rest of America, PATRIOTISM was the NEXT thing they attacked.

NOW anti-Patriotic attitudes are openly and proudly displayed,

Patriots are made fun of or ridiculed.

Disrespect for the FLAG is Blatant, and CHEERED.

ANTI-USA protesters and slogans are spreading like a CANCER.



Give examples of each. Prove that liberals are the ones doing the things you accuse them of doing.
 

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Since our true citizenship is in heaven, we need more understanding and revelation about that in our lives. I don't really pledge allegiance to Australia but that doesn't mean I don't have a heart for the land...I should have more of a heart for the people in the land where I currently live but I find I'm more pining for the people of Tasmania (which is where God is having us move to)
Bro, Tasmania is part of Australia. ;) Haha! Good on you. I know a few people who live there and they love it. I wouldn't mind visiting Tasmania, myself, one day soon.
 

breno785au

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Bro, Tasmania is part of Australia. ;) Haha! Good on you. I know a few people who live there and they love it. I wouldn't mind visiting Tasmania, myself, one day soon.
Lol yeh I know that but I was meaning Australia as a whole. Tell me if I'm wrong but I think the patriotic Australian is different to the American patriot. To me I think those who patriotise Australia are mostly 'yobbos' who hoon around in their Commodore with a southern cross sticker on their rear window where American patriotism is more honourable...I could be wrong. Oh, and when you move to Tassie make sure you let me know, well never be more than a couple hours apart lol

Oops, I just noticed you said visit not move lol
 

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Lol yeh I know that but I was meaning Australia as a whole. Tell me if I'm wrong but I think the patriotic Australian is different to the American patriot. To me I think those who patriotise Australia are mostly 'yobbos' who hoon around in their Commodore with a southern cross sticker on their rear window where American patriotism is more honourable...I could be wrong. Oh, and when you move to Tassie make sure you let me know, well never be more than a couple hours apart lol

Oops, I just noticed you said visit not move lol
Yep, you're right on the money. Who knows! Maybe I will live in Tasmania one day. Only God knows. Yes, He does. :)
 

breno785au

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Yep, you're right on the money. Who knows! Maybe I will live in Tasmania one day. Only God knows. Yes, He does. :)
That would be awesome brother :) and hey when you visit I'm sure we would have room to accommodate.. We aren't there yet but I'm sure we will :D
 

VCO

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Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation . . .[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism; another related term is jingoism.

Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy.[SUP][1][/SUP] Jingoism also refers to a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests.
. . . I wouldn't diss our veterans for nothing, I respect them..... but..... if they knew the truth of what they really fought for, they'd be patriots no more.

Their Gov't they fight for is secretive, starting revolutions in countries . . .
LOL, so what Anti-Patriot site did you copy/paste that from.

All you did is prove you know how to copy/paste.

What you don't know that is the same kind rhetoric that Hanoi Jane and her buddies used to pedal, when the media swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Now it is being regurgitated by someone, and you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. GEE, I wish they had never eliminated the Draft. Maybe you would have learned the truth.

Whoever wrote that article, did make me laugh, they actually said, "An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism; another related term is jingoism."

NO, it is called:

THESE COLORS DO NOT RUN!
&
NO MAN LEFT BEHIND.

We did not lose, or leave men behind in Viet Nam, the Politicians DID NOT LET US WIN, or let us go after those men. WHY did they do that? I think it is obvious, they were more concerned about getting re-elected, and did not want more bad press reports generated by Hanoi Jane's Protests.

As for your comment about us Veterans, you do not have a CLUE why we served, therefore, I seriously DOUBT if you truly respect or know what we did or why we did it. I enlisted in the USA Air Force for 4 years. I rose in rank to Staff Sargent. I very proud of my Service, and I absolutely believe it was GOD's will that I serve.

Matthew 22:21 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They say unto him, Caesar's.
Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

That Certainly includes Military Service when it is required. I am a Veteran of the Cold War/Vietnam Era.

[video=youtube;8ZZf619DIpo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZf619DIpo[/video]
 

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Correction: the Pledge of Allegiance was written by SOCIALIST peacenik Francis Bellamy in 1892. Our Founders were all dead well before then.


Before we can answer that you must first prove your statement.

Please supply evidence that patriotism is dying out.


Give examples of each. Prove that liberals are the ones doing the things you accuse them of doing.
[video=youtube;2HGHdFmu5GU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGHdFmu5GU[/video]


 
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I heard wiccans and Muslims pray and cast spells before sending their kids to school every day.

How often do most Christian parents pray over their children?
 
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Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


Some of my favorite bible verses but some people only respect and look out for their "number one".
 

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I love my country, so don't get me wrong with what I am going to say. Things were pretty nice in Canada for 10 years under conservative Christian Prime Minister Harper. We came out of the recession in good shape because of his tight fiscal policies and low spending. He also kept things socially conservative, although he could never overturn the abortion laws. Then came the election last October.

The left wing media smeared Harper to death. They deified the youthful Trudeau, who is actually worse than his father, having absolutely no qualifications or experience for the job! And Trudeau ripped off Obama's slogan "time for a change" and the rest is history.

We have a humanistic Muslim Prime Minister, jetting around the world, who thinks he has a license to unbridled spending, and to change the very fabric of our nation, which has always been based in Christian principles and practices. Even our national motto "And he shall have dominion from sea to sea" comes from Psalm 72:8!

So Obama has been tutoring our boy child PM and he has unleashed non gendered bathrooms, is taking the "sexist" language out of our national anthem, and pushing through assisted suicide legislation. Then there was the latest Supreme Court decision that sex with animals is ok! As for the economy, the military, and other important things, I don't think he has time to worry about those things when he is enjoying jet setting at the tax payers expense.

"God keep our land, indeed!!"

But then God reminds me that no more than this life, our country is not supposed to be what we are focusing on. We are supposed to be living with the Kingdom of God as our focus. Earthly kingdoms and their rulers will rise and fall, but Christ is our only true King. And not just King, but King of kings!

"On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords." Rev. 19:16
 

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Since our true citizenship is in heaven, we need more understanding and revelation about that in our lives. I don't really pledge allegiance to Australia but that doesn't mean I don't have a heart for the land...I should have more of a heart for the people in the land where I currently live but I find I'm more pining for the people of Tasmania (which is where God is having us move to)
Agree, I am a Christian first and foremost, and an American second. "We ought to obey God rather than men."
 

VCO

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I heard wiccans and Muslims pray and cast spells before sending their kids to school every day.

How often do most Christian parents pray over their children?

Daily where I come from, but I grew up in the Bible Belt of America. I can tell you, I still have two Aunts who pray for me daily.