PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

[Vdp]

Who "rights" are we protecting by going to war? Ours or the very Rich?

We are protecting the "rights" of the rich, not the rights of the poor who are downtrodden by the rich people.

Its the poor people who fight in the wars, not the rich people. Its the poor people who die for this Country, not the rich people.

 

[VCO]

Who "rights" are we protecting by going to war? Ours or the very Rich?

We are protecting the "rights" of the rich, not the rights of the poor who are downtrodden by the rich people.

Its the poor people who fight in the wars, not the rich people. Its the poor people who die for this Country, not the rich people.

You must have slept through American History:

11 Famous People You Didn't Know Served in WWII

9 People You May Not Know Were WWII Veterans - History Lists

Unlike many famous veterans, Eddie Albert (star of Green Acres)joined the military after he had found success as an actor. His abilities coincided fortuitously with the needs of th e military. Albert toured Mexico as a clown and high-wire artist, but was actually working for Army intelligence to take pictures of U-boats before World War II. He enlisted in the Navy in 1942 and was discharged a short year later so that he would be able to accept an officer position in the Naval Reserve.

During the Battle of Tarawa, Albert earned a Bronze Star with Combat "V". He fought in the first wave of combat that lasted for three days. After most of the shooting was over, he was sent back to the site of the battle to salvage any equipment he could find. Because of coral reefs in the area, Marines weren't able to land directly on the beach and had to get off their boats 500 yards from shore. Enemy combatants started picking them off, and soon the waters were filled with over 100 wounded and many more dead. Albert disregarded his mission to grab equipment and began pulling marines to safety. He took 47 in total, and oversaw the rescue of 30 more.

There were plenty of rich kids in the Service when I served during the Vietnam Era. One of my best buds was a rich kids, and I even visited him in the Home near L.A. his Parents gave him after he got out of the Air Force, swimming pool and all.

I think you bought into a MYTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9rWQKWDwKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvbx3PhPmBU

Jimmy Stewart talks about his time in Military Service when he was a Bomber Pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9rWQKWDwKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3hksJ2rgks


[video=youtube;0lciryb5LXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lciryb5LXw[/video]

 

[Karraster]

I wish I had slept thru American History...but it was mandatory, just like the Theory of Evolution that was crammed down our throats.

Can't say I watched the vid, but is that Arnold? You gotta be kiddin if it is. Schwarzenegger, the golden boy. Hey man, this is not the movies. Check his record more closely. Something don't quite add up. I wonder what it could be?

"The very word secrecy is repugnant, in a free and open society. For we are, as a people, inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret proceedings and to secret oaths"...

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence - on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."- John F. Kennedysecret society speech on April 27, 1961(murdered on November 22, 1963).


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[peacenik]

I am still waiting for "proof" that patriotism is dying in the USA.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is possible by a stretch of the imagination that patriotism is Biblical, but do not say in your heart that God honors any flag of any nation, for we have but One Banner.

 

[Messy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUjr8EVgBg

 

[PaulMack]

So VCO if i read this correctly you are putting Patriotism above God?

We are to follow what God says, not what the USA says.

 

[JaumeJ]

Living in Spain, I see the same "type" of people here. These people think God is a Spaniard. My observation over the years in more than twenty countries has experienced people in all countries with this illness, or demonic oppression. I call it this because these people go to the extreme of excluding fellow children of God from what they consider to be the only manner in which to believe and live.

The same holds true for skin colors........God does not prefer one skin over another, actually He does not like skin at all, He sees all in the Spirit as we will be with Him forever...........in our glorified bodies that is.

So VCO if i read this correctly you are putting Patriotism above God?

We are to follow what God says, not what the USA says.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Living in Spain, I see the same "type" of people here. These people think God is a Spaniard. My observation over the years in more than twenty countries has experienced people in all countries with this illness, or demonic oppression. I call it this because these people go to the extreme of excluding fellow children of God from what they consider to be the only manner in which to believe and live.

i don't consider this to be actual patriotism...i would regard the attitude you are describing to be part of the counterfeit patriotism i referred to in my post...

 

[VernonFrancis]

nationalism is not of God, we are citizens of the Kingdom of God. it is national pride which has led to christians warring against one another.

just a thought

 

[JimmieD]

Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


I REPEAT:
WHAT HAPPENED? ? ?

1) Didn't Paul, Peter, James, John and even Jesus end up in prison for going against the government?

2) How does 1 Peter 2:13-14 apply to a governmental system of representative democracy?

3) How does Romans 1 apply to a system where the founding documents say things like:

....That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government....But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government

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[peacenik]

Since my questions have not been answered then I will assume that the OP has conceded that he has no proof that patriotism has declined in the USA.

 

[VCO]

I am still waiting for "proof" that patriotism is dying in the USA.

Did not know you were Blind.

In the Fifties when I was growing up, Veterans coming home were a VERY BIG DEAL. Flag waving especially on the Fourth of July, Veterans Day, and Memorial Day, was a VERY BIG DEAL. Veterans were invited to ride on the floats in the Fourth of July. When the Color Guard carried the Flag down the Street, EVERYONE Stood and proudly put their hand over their hearts and Veterans Saluted, and some shed some tears, remembering those who did not make it home. NOBODY, not even ONCE showed disrespect for the FLAG in the City that I grew up in. I saw NOBODY even threaten to Burn the Flag, I saw NOBODY spit on it, I saw NOBODY, throw it on the Ground, I saw NOBODY wipe their feet on it, I saw NOBODY Stand on the FLAG, and I SAW NOBODY TURN THE FLAG UPSIDE DOWN; which is an INSULT TO VETERANS. The Red Stripes, stand for the Americans who shed their blood fighting under OLD GLORY, and to turn it upside down for any reason, (other than to signal for help, or warn other troops that their position has been overrun by the enemy), is disrespecting that shed blood represented by the red stripes, symbolically turning it upside down to pour that blood out on the ground. Back then it was considered like slapping Veterans in the face.

When I came home from the Military Service, Nobody welcomed me home except my parents, my siblings, and very few close friends. The only reason I was not SPIT on at Travis AFB, was my plane landed at 2:30 AM. I guess the hippies did not stay up that late. Patriotism improved for a couple decades, then cooled off again, then 9/11 fired it up for a few years, and NOW IT growing cold once again. Once UNBELIEVABLE TABOOS of DISRESPECT are being tolerated, and cheered by many in this so called modern Society, and seen as ENTERTAINMENT ON YOUTUBE. I sometimes CANNOT BELIEVE that attitudes of MANY, who just accept it, with an I DON'T CARE ATTITUDE. So YES it is even worse than ever before: Flag Burnings, Standing wiping one's feet on the FLAG, Spitting on the Flag, and even turning the FLAG upside down to make a POLITICAL STATEMENT, which MOST VETERANS STILL FIND VERY OFFENSIVE. The disrespect for OUR FLAG once associated with the Hanoi Jane movement, is running RAMPANT once again:

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https://www.facebook.com/Upside-Down-Flag-304332422924487/

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Marine Reservist Spots Upside-Down American Flag, Has No Regrets for What He Did Next | Video | TheBlaze.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1xsENCaQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVf0YsGFZ8

 

[VCO]

1) Didn't Paul, Peter, James, John and even Jesus end up in prison for going against the government?

2) How does 1 Peter 2:13-14 apply to a governmental system of representative democracy?

3) How does Romans 1 apply to a system where the founding documents say things like:

....That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government....But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government

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Thanks for proving my point.

 

[JaumeJ]

As one who believes Jesus Christ, I can allow no patriotism to any worldly banner.

I believe all who believe Jesus are children of God, citizens of the eternal Kingdom, our Kingdom with our Savior the King.

We have been given One Banner to rally to, He is Jesus Christ.

I cannot be a patriot in the United Kingdom against family in Christ just because they are errantly patriotic to some other flag or flags............this would be fals patriotism in the sight of our Father. We are loyal to the Father and all of His childre.

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm thankful God placed me in this country and I'm blessed to be a part of it.

That being said, in recent years I've stopped saying the pledge of allegiance. My allegiance is to God alone. He supercedes everything, including my country. He alone is worth my allegiance.

 

[VCO]

I'm thankful God placed me in this country and I'm blessed to be a part of it.

That being said, in recent years I've stopped saying the pledge of allegiance. My allegiance is to God alone. He supercedes everything, including my country. He alone is worth my allegiance.

What do you do with these verses, cut them out of your Bible and throw them away:

Romans 13:1-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And for this reason you pay taxes, since the ⌊authorities⌋ are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.



You do know that the posted speed limit is an ordinance of man?
And you do know there is tool that GOD has allowed to be invented, to help you be obedient?
It is called Speed Control, do you use it?

 

[KohenMatt]

What do you do with these verses, cut them out of your Bible and throw them away:

Romans 13:1-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And for this reason you pay taxes, since the ⌊authorities⌋ are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.



You do know that the posted speed limit is an ordinance of man?
And you do know there is tool that GOD has allowed to be invented, to help you be obedient?
It is called Speed Control, do you use it?

I absolutely submit to the rules and laws of the country. I'm even a government employee.

It's allegiance that I'm talking about. I will always respect and obey the laws of my country (unless they contradict God's laws.) But my allegiance is to God alone.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I like Norway, the physical Norway with fjords and mountains etc. I wouldn't consider myself a patriot.
While Norway is ranked among the top "best countries to live in", I know we have our good sides and our bad sides like all other countries....

Should it ever come to war, I'd probably feel what Runrig says in this song:
Cha deid mise gu an righ
Cha deid mise an corr a shabaid
(...)
Cha seas mi ach 'son sith nan eilean

But I cannot go "for the King"
I cannot fight anymore
(...)
I'll only support peace in the islands

 

[oldethennew]

for a Christian,

Jesus Christ's flag/banner is the only that has Holy-Eternal-Promises...
but,
you are free to choose!