Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

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Ted01

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You claim a change in "yodhs" Yahshua/Jesus says no change in "yodhs" till heaven and earth pass, I will take His word over yours.
Just wanted to add that this is a sign of dishonesty and that type of clever thinking that is talked about in Scripture of false teachers.

The fact that "yodhs" have changed is NOT a claim of Jesus... they happened after His death and Resurrection.
Jesus simply said that no "yodhs" will change until all has been accomplished.
Since "yodhs" have changed... we can deduce that, according to Jesus, all has been accomplished.
Why do you have a problem with this?

And why do you continue to intersperse Hebrew with English?
 

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pass over, desert is not destroy silly.

the levitical priesthood was made obselete by decommissioning (removing it from service, not destroying it, I can stop using my old lawnmower when I get a new one, doesnt mean I have to smash it till it will not function) it and commissioning the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, with Yahshua as High Priest.

Words have meaning.
YOU are the silly one, silly.
You are the only, so far, that has used the word "destroy"... are you arguing against some demon in your mind?
 

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Hebrews 7:12 ~ For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

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Just wanted to add that this is a sign of dishonesty and that type of clever thinking that is talked about in Scripture of false teachers.

The fact that "yodhs" have changed is NOT a claim of Jesus... they happened after His death and Resurrection.
Jesus simply said that no "yodhs" will change until all has been accomplished.
Since "yodhs" have changed... we can deduce that, according to Jesus, all has been accomplished.
Why do you have a problem with this?

And why do you continue to intersperse Hebrew with English?
translation, you know it was not written in English right?

None the less: an "iota"

Matthew 5:17-20, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 21:1-2, "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
 

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YOU are the silly one, silly.
You are the only, so far, that has used the word "destroy"... are you arguing against some demon in your mind?
So if one uses the word "destroy" they are evil? Not sure those dots connect, I think you are trying to slander me...

Leviticus 19:16 , “You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people.”

Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
 

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translation, you know it was not written in English right?

None the less: an "iota"

Matthew 5:17-20, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 21:1-2, "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
What part of: the law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through
faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ... do you not understand?
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Romans 8:1-2; 1 Corinthians 15:57 + 58b
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They only quote Paul...

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
right what Jesus said not what Moses said

Not this whoch Moses said in the law

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

but I ( Jesus ) say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Not the Old Testament word but the one Jesus spoke They don’t go together you can’t be like this

“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and also pardon the one who offends like Jesus taught ….they are contrary directives but Jesus only spoke one of them Moses spoke the other from an angelic ordination designed by god ….

“For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;( old testsment )

how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus not Moses ) and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, ( Jesus apostles who believed him ) and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus didn’t speak the law to Moses is the difference he came and spoke his own words
So what did Yahshua/Jesus teach?
the gospel of the kingdom that began after johns baptism for remission of sins

You have to read the four gospels and understand what he’s teaching his disciples th at believes in him and then what he’s telling the many Jews that we’re trying to trap him in his words and decipher the difference

To the Jews he said “ do everything the priests tell you because until the prophecies about me are fulfilled until I die and raise up nothing can change of the law . All of those people were born under Moses law before Jesus came preaching the gospel so they had to at that point keep both . Gentiles and Jews born after Jesus died and rose have never been under the law of Moses and don’t have that terrible yoke to try to carry

It’s really easy to understand but it requires letting what we learn be true in spite of what we were always told in chirch or thought ourselves once it becomes clear we still don’t want to sometimes. It if we accept it it chi a ges our perception for the better

all we need is Jesus and what he said will save us that’s it

We aren’t supposed to add anything anyone else said to it just learn from the rest of the Bible especially the apostles writings

the lord first taught them but then he explained this

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is what the apostles w to ones contain expanded understanding of what Jesus preached in the gospel ….

To know what he taught look at the things he taught when he receives the spirit at baptism until he died then look at his apostles writings toninderersnd it better

Jesus taught the gospel


“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But the law ?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is about a person accepting Jesus as the lord and then the person starts to learn from him like a disciple that’s what Christian’s are it doesn’t matter if your just starting your accepted. Even with your flaws but your also expected to start growing up and living your life as the lord is teaching you

at he things Jesus said in the gospel are his teachings but you also have to understand until he died his words weren’t in effect and the law couldn’t be removed

“For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:17-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Animal blood and Moses word

v Jesus blood according to his better word all we need to do is let Jesus be the lord and let his word be the lords word that will save us because it has the power to bring us to real repentance and tesch us to live
 

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What part of: the law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through
faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ... do you not understand?
.:unsure:
It also remains as Instructions. And Muder is not permissible for anyone, period.

Yahshua says
John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

There is noting anyone can tell me that will convince me He is wrong.

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail.”

Just because people twist Paul's words into Lawlessness as Peter warned of does not mean I have to give in.

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
 

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Making the law the central component of the new covenant and not Christ is simply putting new wine in old wineskins.
Is that what im doing? Or am I defending against the teaching of iniquity?

Have I posted many verses about Yahshua being the High priest and listening to His words?

Those posts go ignored and people attack me on obedience, its crazy.

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Can you tell me the meaning of iniquity and why it makes love grow cold?
 

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Blasphemy is not something God takes lightly...
I agree. But the present tact isn't working. And God is gracious to all. He gives the very breath by which He is blasphemed. God can deal with the vengeance part any time He likes. We are tasked to love.
 

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translation, you know it was not written in English right?
Thoroughly irrelevant... which language Scripture was written in, the issue is that Torah Observant heretics seem to need to obsess own all things Hebrew (or more importantly, Israel). Now, all people all the same in God's sight... and I love ethnic diversity, honestly, I do... but it's a clear, clarion call that racist ideology is at hand... to me... it's Jewish supremacy. That is NOT the markings of a Christian. And so, all the rest that you have to say is drivel. I don't abide racists.

You obsess with need to speak in ancient Hebraic language... which you have no clue of as it died long ago, with the Temple and dispersion. Regardless, people have resurrected the language, and that's grand.... but why is it that you feel a need use when speaking to gentiles?
Can you answer that one question?
 

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It also remains as Instructions. And Muder is not permissible for anyone, period.
Do you think all 613 have been written on people's hearts? Do you stone adulterers to death?

Do you acknowledge that under the law you are guilty of breaking all if you fail on one?
 

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Thoroughly irrelevant... which language Scripture was written in, the issue is that Torah Observant heretics seem to need to obsess own all things Hebrew (or more importantly, Israel). Now, all people all the same in God's sight... and I love ethnic diversity, honestly, I do... but it's a clear, clarion call that racist ideology is at hand... to me... it's Jewish supremacy. That is NOT the markings of a Christian. And so, all the rest that you have to say is drivel. I don't abide racists.

You obsess with need to speak in ancient Hebraic language... which you have no clue of as it died long ago, with the Temple and dispersion. Regardless, people have resurrected the language, and that's grand.... but why is it that you feel a need use when speaking to gentiles?
Can you answer that one question?
To translate the translators needed to understand the original language.. To do deep study on certian passages understanding original language is 100% vital. Understanding the word is not a bad thing.
 

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Is that what im doing? Or am I defending against the teaching of iniquity?

Have I posted many verses about Yahshua being the High priest and listening to His words?

Those posts go ignored and people attack me on obedience, its crazy.

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Can you tell me the meaning of iniquity and why it makes love grow cold?
Yes, it is what you are doing. However well intentioned, it is misguided.
 

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Do you think all 613 have been written on people's hearts?
Well I dont think the Law the High Priest carries out (that is Yahshua job) is written on the heart of anyone who is not the High Priest/Yahshua...

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: 3551. nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law, Torah

law is "nomo" without law is "anomo"

“iniquity” is word # G0458 - anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
 

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So if one uses the word "destroy" they are evil? Not sure those dots connect, I think you are trying to slander me...

Leviticus 19:16 , “You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people.”

Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
Why do you continue to slander me by saying that I slander you? You seem to be such a child!!

I did not speak on the word "destroy"... only you have. I hope that people see this and see that you are derailing this conversation harping on a trivial issue!

I never used the word "destroy".
Only you have.

Then you say that I am somehow slandering you?

Such a Deceiver you are.