Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

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Ted01

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no Nono love and crave just what you’ve done here there’s no judgement just sharing your thoughts and they are wonderful and appreciated brother very much

Its really well said “Thou shalt not kill “I would only add this idea and consideration

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-

aid we leeen to love one another I won’t kill you , steal from you , commit adultery with your spouse , if I learn to love God I won’t have false gods that I worship ect
If we learn to love like the son of God bekng the children of God , there’s no one on earth that can have any accusation against us before the lord because it’s him
Thank you, brother, for your generous heart.

I agree, 100%,,, there is no accusation as we walk under the scrutiny of God!
 

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Blanket statements from you are not helpful. Where have I been unloving?

I never meant to imply you were unloving. My sincere apologies. I was suggesting that the way people are trying to argue the point is ineffective. Another way would be better.
 

Ted01

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you said this:



wow, just wow, you show yourself.
I'm sorry... I miss the relevance of this post? Forgive if I'm ignorant...

You brought the word "destroy" into this discussion... did you not?
And when you did bring it in, you accused me, as if I had used when I did not. That's dishonest.
So, I'm confused as to why you would even bring up the word "destroy"... it's as if you are arguing something that is in your mind alone.

I do believe that you are preaching "another gospel" than what we are given in Scripture. I think that's "veiled" thinking... you are blinded (by God) and even perhaps demonic. I really don't know.
But that it's so thoroughly discussed (and reviled) in Scripture, I don't know how people continue to discuss your theology today.
 

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I never meant to imply you were unloving. My sincere apologies. I was suggesting that
the way people are trying to argue the point is ineffective. Another way would be better.
Better than Scripture? Do tell...

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Problem here is some say the whole point is the law instead of Christ.
 

Ted01

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I've seen it since page one when he tried all afternoon the other day to draw me into his ridiculousness. lol
Resident...l you are the one that started the thread.
You drew yourself into this ridiculousness.
 

Ted01

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Pay attention, I said his ridiculousness.
Yeah... okay, you win!!

Still, I'd encourage you to stay the course.
I think that you knew in advance that this would be a contentious topic. You did it on purpose.
So, follow through.
 

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Better than Scripture? Do tell...

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Problem here is some say the whole point is the law instead of Christ.
No, not better than scripture. Different scripture.
The poster's problem is that he is ignorant of grace. He fundamentally needs to learn the relationship between Jesus and His people. He is still dealing with God on the basis of the law. Until he learns that we have passed from death to life and regardless of what we do we will not come into condemnation, his foundation remains in place and he will not change. Thus, I believe arguing from the law will be ineffective. Arguing from grace might not.
 

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No, not better than scripture. Different scripture.
The poster's problem is that he is ignorant of grace. He fundamentally needs to learn the relationship between Jesus and His people. He is still dealing with God on the basis of the law. Until he learns that we have passed from death to life and regardless of what we do we will not come into condemnation, his foundation remains in place and he will not change. Thus, I believe arguing from the law will be ineffective. Arguing from grace might not.
?? so... arguing from the Law is ineffective.
and...
Arguing from Grace is ineffective?

I'm sorry... what's left?
 

Cameron143

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?? so... arguing from the Law is ineffective.
and...
Arguing from Grace is ineffective?

I'm sorry... what's left?
I was advocating arguing from grace.
 

Ted01

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I was advocating arguing from grace.
Okay... I'm a bit twisted this afternoon... sorry.

I think, though, that the "veil" that was talked about earlier, precludes those to whom the veil is given from even recognizing Grace.
So what then?
You're better at this than I am.
 

Cameron143

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Okay... I'm a bit twisted this afternoon... sorry.

I think, though, that the "veil" that was talked about earlier, precludes those to whom the veil is given from even recognizing Grace.
So what then?
You're better at this than I am.
No I'm not better at this. I wasn't any more affectual than anyone else.
For now I would say it's a matter for prayer. It's one thing to identify a problem. It's another thing to fix it. Since we have planted and watered, time to drink some lemonade and see if anything sprouts.
 

Ted01

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No I'm not better at this. I wasn't any more affectual than anyone else.
For now I would say it's a matter for prayer. It's one thing to identify a problem. It's another thing to fix it. Since we have planted and watered, time to drink some lemonade and see if anything sprouts.
False modesty brother!!
I absolutely blow at "sympathetic conversation"; you excel.

Nevertheless, I guess that I agree... time for a pause.
In the words of Saint Clint Eastwood :p) "A man's gotta know his limitations."
 

Cameron143

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False modesty brother!!
I absolutely blow at "sympathetic conversation"; you excel.

Nevertheless, I guess that I agree... time for a pause.
In the words of Saint Clint Eastwood :p) "A man's gotta know his limitations."
Love Saint Clint. I must be feeling lucky today.
 

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@SpeakTruth101 I understand that you're offline now... but I would really like you to answer these two questions... even though they are somewhat off topic.

1. Since I did not first bring up the word "destroy" in this discussion, but you did... why did you bring it up; and why are you insisting that I'm the one slandering you... when it is you that is slandering me?

2. Why do you insist on co-mingling Hebraic language with English when, according to yourself, Hebrew is not the language of your origins?