Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."
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No I asked them as seperate things, not that I think it matters either way because in the OT it speaks of the same thing:
Isaiah 24:1-6, "Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for the LORD has spoken this word. The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and withers; the highest people of the earth languish. The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched, and few men are left.
Malachi 4:1-6, "“For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts. “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and rules that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel. “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction.”
and about 20+ other places including Isa 66 and more.
You can see it however you want Im just asking
Did heaven and earth pass yet?
Isaiah 24:1-6, "Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for the LORD has spoken this word. The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and withers; the highest people of the earth languish. The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched, and few men are left.
Malachi 4:1-6, "“For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts. “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and rules that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel. “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction.”
and about 20+ other places including Isa 66 and more.
You can see it however you want Im just asking
Did heaven and earth pass yet?
But it passing and new heavens and earth were spoken of in the OT, so Yahshua knew this:
Isaiah 66:22-24, "“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
But still you can see it however you do, Im just wanting to know if it passed or not in your belief
Isaiah 66:22-24, "“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
But still you can see it however you do, Im just wanting to know if it passed or not in your belief
can we pick this back up tomorrow, its been nearly an hour for you to tell me if heaven and earth has passed or not and my reply to your answer is a full page and will spark more discussion/debate and it about 3 hours past my bedtime, if you want to ping me tonight or you can sleep on it and answer tomorrow then Ill post my answer to your question
No no matter if you say yes or no, my reply will be the same, as I alrady gave it and already wrote my reply to your question and saved it to a notepad.
Im not going to do a got ya, I will tell you my view and explain it however but..
can we pick this back up tomorrow, its been nearly an hour for you to tell me if heaven and earth has passed or not and my reply to your answer is a full page and will spark more discussion/debate and it about 3 hours past my bedtime, if you want to ping me tonight or you can sleep on it and answer tomorrow then Ill post my answer to your question
also I like your name Mem, Psalm 119:97 is headed with Mem (13) in the original manuscript
Im not going to do a got ya, I will tell you my view and explain it however but..
can we pick this back up tomorrow, its been nearly an hour for you to tell me if heaven and earth has passed or not and my reply to your answer is a full page and will spark more discussion/debate and it about 3 hours past my bedtime, if you want to ping me tonight or you can sleep on it and answer tomorrow then Ill post my answer to your question
also I like your name Mem, Psalm 119:97 is headed with Mem (13) in the original manuscript
Hoops for me, while you take your leisure to answer, even though you already have it prepared. I'm not sure what to think of this sort of treatment.
Be well!
Ok, heaven and earth have not passed away yet although that doesn't mean there are jots and tittles have not passed from the Law when Jesus accomplished his work on the cross.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
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Ok, heaven and earth have not passed away yet although that doesn't mean there are jots and tittles have not passed from the Law when Jesus accomplished his work on the cross.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
I have some time right now, but I will be busy later and should be on after that tonight.
So I will start by touching on this and then give my full answer to your questions, with Scripture to show why I believe whatI do, if you or anyone disagrees that is fine but please let us discuss the Scripture and our views of it. Any translation is fine, it's really what the original text says that matters.
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Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done....”
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Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."
So when He says " I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done"
I take that to mean heavn and earth have to pass and all prophecies must be fulfilled.
I do not believe heaven and earth has passed, I look out my window and see it is still here, also Scripture shows it passing and a new heaven and earth:
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”
So when He says " I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done"
Heaven and the Harth passing away has not been complete so how could all be fulfilled, accomplished or done? It by definition could not yet be.
Next we have
Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”
Luke 24:44-46, “.. all have to be fulfilled that were written in...Psalms concerning Me.”
This has not been fulfilled yet and it is concerning Yahshua:
Psalm 2:1-12, “Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? (Mat 4:25-26. See also Dan 2:44, Dan 7:13-28, Hag 2:22, Zec 14:9 and Rev 11:15) The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.” He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוה mocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying, “But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”
Luke 24:44-46, “...all have to be fulfilled that were written in the...the Prophets...concerning Me.
Daniel 7:13-14, "“I was looking in the night visions and saw One like the Son of Man. coming with the clouds of the heavens! And He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. “And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed.”
I could quote well over 50 other prophecies from the OT that are not yet fulfilled also, but these 2 are sufficent. So we can see that not only has Matt 5:17-19 "Heaven and Earth" not pass, but also that all things are not fulfill, and all things are not fulfilled Luke 24:44-46 "concerning Him"
Luke 24:44, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done....”
SO there is not dount in my mind Heaven and Earth have not passed and all is not done.
If you only count the prophecies of His first coming then one can say all is done, but if we take what He said, Heaven and Earth" and "till all be done/fulfilled/accomplished" then it is impossible.
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done....”
Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."
Also to be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
Ok, heaven and earth have not passed away yet although that doesn't mean there are jots and tittles have not passed from the Law when Jesus accomplished his work on the cross.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
So I’m going to give Scriptures for why I believe what I do to prove it
Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words? “For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:
the priesthood being changed (#G3346)
Thayer Definition:
#G3346 metatithēmi - μετατίθημι
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
1a) to transfer
1b) to change
1c) to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
1c1) to go or pass over
1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another
a change (#G3331) also of the law
Thayer Definition:
#G3331 metathesis - μετάθεσις
1) transfer: from one place to another
2) to change
2a) of things instituted or established
Mat 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,.."
Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”
Isaiah 66:22-24, "“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand. “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath,b all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה. Footnote: bPossible meaning: Every week on the Sabbath. “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me.c For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!” Footnote: cSee Isa 24:6, Isa 34:2-3, Psa 110:6, Jer 25:33.
Unless heaven and earth passed away, I think YHWH's Law is mediated by Yahshua. Not Moses Law.
Hebrews 7:24-25,"but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to יהוה through Him, ever living to make intercession for them."
John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
My conclusion is that YHWH gave the Law and the Levitical priesthood has been decommissioned and replaced by Yahshua, the Law and all mediating is transferred metathesis - μετάθεσις and Yahshua teaches it in truth and love, uncorrupted by humans, when it comes to blood sacrifice, Scripture makes it clear Yahshua's Sacrifice is once and for all sufficent and no further sacrifice is needed or acceptable. Finally people who reject Mat 22:36-40 are in iniquity and I think people take Paul in the way Peter warned of
2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “
Matt 24:12, “And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold.”
“iniquity” #G458 ἀνομία, ἀνομίας, ἡ (ἄνομος);
1. properly, the condition of one without law — either because ignorant of it, or because violating it. 2. contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Ok, heaven and earth have not passed away yet although that doesn't mean there are jots and tittles have not passed from the Law when Jesus accomplished his work on the cross.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
That's the best you'll get for an answer regarding that question, regardless of how simply you'd have preferred.
When I said this "Yahshua teaches it in truth and love, uncorrupted by humans, when it comes to blood sacrifice, Scripture makes it clear Yahshua's Sacrifice is once and for all sufficent and no further sacrifice is needed or acceptable" these are the verses I believe back that up.
1 Peter 1:18-21, “Knowing that you were redeemed from your futile behavior inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, but manifested in these last times for your sakes, who through Him believe in Elohim who raised Him from the dead and gave Him esteem, so that your belief and expectation are in Elohim.”
Hebrews 13:20 “And the Mighty One of peace who brought up our Master יהושע from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.”
Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."
John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Hebrews 7:23-25, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Elohim through Him, ever living to make intercession for them.”
Oh I see it just was a funny phrase I’d never heard I hope. Ono e ever “ sock puppets “ me but I might use that phrase is I ever get the chance …
im sorry I wasn’t trying to stir anything I was just curious what that meant thanks for explaining brother
remember the lord talks alot about being the one to let insults pass without retaliation
im sorry I wasn’t trying to stir anything I was just curious what that meant thanks for explaining brother
remember the lord talks alot about being the one to let insults pass without retaliation
I was just curious about that phrase I have a sort of inappropriate timing eith things I find funny “ sock puppeting” someone just tickled my funny bone I didn’t mean to interrupt the arguing just thought “ man I wish I knew what sock puppeting someone was that’s funny “
Sorry again probly not the best time to ask about a comical phrase
Sorry again probly not the best time to ask about a comical phrase
Usually a sock puppet refers to someone who has multiple accounts = a false online identity used for deceptive purposes.
A while back (maybe a year ago?) we had a member accuse a number of people here of operating sock puppet accounts.
They essentially were saying people used accounts to argue with or support their own arguments.
And/or used specific accounts to act one way, and other accounts to act another way.
They were banned shortly after that.
A while back (maybe a year ago?) we had a member accuse a number of people here of operating sock puppet accounts.
They essentially were saying people used accounts to argue with or support their own arguments.
And/or used specific accounts to act one way, and other accounts to act another way.
They were banned shortly after that.
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Consider chaoter 14 of Roman’s sister some of them were insisting on keeping elements of Moses law others understood faith but look how Paul speaks about those who worry about food laws of Moses or sabbath keeping and also how n the same family those who don’t .
“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.”
Romans 14:1-19 KJV
pauls talking about foods and holy days because the issue was that part of the church hadn’t understood the fulfillment of the law like still today some don’t but Paul’s point is
If you are convinced that you need to keep Moses laws then you yourself actually do need to because of you don’t it will violate your conscience and make you guilty
about another moght understand “ that’s not my law Jesus is my lord he’s all I need “ that person understands freedom they don’t live thier lives thinking “ if I pick up a stick on a sabbath day God is going to condemn me because I didn’t honor Moses words about the sabbath “
a they don’t worry about the type of foods they eat according to the law they don’t worry about all the ritualistic things Moses taught but another believer may be convinced they actually simply haven’t come to the point of freedom yet but it’s not that God rejects them
aid someone believes in Jesus I myself welcome them as a brother as far as I myself know thier judgement will come like mine when it’s me and Jesus so yes I consider any believer of Jesus a brother even when I sharply disagree with some of what they say I don’t want to harm thier faith either even if they think they have to keep Moses law it doesn’t affect my place in Christ so I have to just try to persuade and suggest a better and safer path
abut I don’t actually have the right to deem anyone saved or not so i try to in my older age make sure to accept those with faith that isn’t as old as mine or doesn’t actually think the same things yet if they declare their belief in Jesus they see the light
“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.”
Romans 14:1-19 KJV
pauls talking about foods and holy days because the issue was that part of the church hadn’t understood the fulfillment of the law like still today some don’t but Paul’s point is
If you are convinced that you need to keep Moses laws then you yourself actually do need to because of you don’t it will violate your conscience and make you guilty
about another moght understand “ that’s not my law Jesus is my lord he’s all I need “ that person understands freedom they don’t live thier lives thinking “ if I pick up a stick on a sabbath day God is going to condemn me because I didn’t honor Moses words about the sabbath “
a they don’t worry about the type of foods they eat according to the law they don’t worry about all the ritualistic things Moses taught but another believer may be convinced they actually simply haven’t come to the point of freedom yet but it’s not that God rejects them
aid someone believes in Jesus I myself welcome them as a brother as far as I myself know thier judgement will come like mine when it’s me and Jesus so yes I consider any believer of Jesus a brother even when I sharply disagree with some of what they say I don’t want to harm thier faith either even if they think they have to keep Moses law it doesn’t affect my place in Christ so I have to just try to persuade and suggest a better and safer path
abut I don’t actually have the right to deem anyone saved or not so i try to in my older age make sure to accept those with faith that isn’t as old as mine or doesn’t actually think the same things yet if they declare their belief in Jesus they see the light