Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

[SpeakTruth101]

This really does clarify alot thank you brother for the patience

I try to base my replies off what im presented with and I was asked directly and honestly, the question made me show why I believe that.

do you know YHWH is not an actual name but an unpronounceable Tetragrammaton because God hadn’t revealed his name yet ? And did you notice Gods reluctance to announce his name in the ot ?

No the pharisees say it unpronouncable, and made a "law" punishing anyonw who said it. YHWH says to call upon His name many many times:

Psalm 105:1, "Give thanks to YHWH! Call upon His Name! Make known what He has done among the nations!"

Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of YHWH, and serve Him with one accord."

1 Kings 18:24, "Then you call on the name of your god, Baal, and I will call on the Name of YHWH. It will be the Mighty One Who answers with fire--He is the Mighty One. All the people responded, and said; What you say is right."

Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH."

The pharisees outlawed doing that... Yahshua didnt play their game

John 17:6, "I have made Your Name known to the men that You gave Me out of the world. They were yours, and You gave them to Me; and they have kept Your word."

John 17:26, “And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me might be in them, and I in them.”

Psalm 22:22, "I make known Your Name to My brothers; In the midst of the assembly I praise You."

John 5:43, "I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow."

God hadn’t revealed his name yet ? And did you notice Gods reluctance to announce his name in the ot ?

Enosh knew His name and its implied it was know before that too.

Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of YHWH began to be invoked again."

YHWH says they " devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget His Name"

Jeremiah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."

BAAL (DEITY) [Hebrew - baal] . Canaanite storm and fertility god. The name, which means “lord, ” is an epithet of the god Hadad (lit. “thunderer” ). Well-known from the OT, he is now extremely well-attested in the Ugaritic texts, in addition to being mentioned in other ancient texts. (Freedman, David Noel: The Anchor Bible Dictionary. New York : Doubleday, 1996, c1992, S. 1:546)

Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"

 

[SpeakTruth101]

TBut when you meet Jesus your hearing th e name of the father the son and Holy Ghost in one personage with one name ?

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yahshua means "YHWH's Salvation"

יהושוע​

But okay so you donindersdsnd when Moses law came the oreosthood was changed from melchezidek who was the preist over Abraham’s promise of Christ and th gospel and son th n the word is changed from what was before the law ? And you realize th laws authority ended when the lord came to speak himself ?

It seems like we’re more on the same page moses words and Jesus words are two seperate covenants the law is good and holy but it’s just not for the born again people the gospel is for us

orderPsalm 110:4, “יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

G3346 "change" is a disestablishment of one (priesthood Levitical) and establishment of another (priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek)

G3331 "change" is a transfer (the law) form the Levitical to the order of Melchizedek

YHWH's Laws are still active...

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done....”

Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.“

Paul:

1 Corinthians 8:7-8, “However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”

Jesus:

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

 

[Cameron143]

Yahshua means "YHWH's Salvation"

יהושוע​

orderPsalm 110:4, “יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

G3346 "change" is a disestablishment of one (priesthood Levitical) and establishment of another (priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek)

G3331 "change" is a transfer (the law) form the Levitical to the order of Melchizedek

YHWH's Laws are still active...

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done....”

Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.“

Paul:

1 Corinthians 8:7-8, “However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”

Jesus:

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Are you suggesting Paul is a false prophet?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Are you suggesting Paul is a false prophet?

Where did I say that?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Are you suggesting Paul is a false prophet?

I believe 100% Yahshua is the one to YHWH says to listen to over all others:

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day

 

[Cameron143]

Where did I say that?

I asked a question. But your last 2 verses you quoted have Paul saying it is ok to eat food offered to idols and Jesus warning against it.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Are you suggesting Paul is a false prophet?

He's saying Paul is hard to understand.

ou quoted have Paul saying it is ok to eat food offered to idols

That is not what Paul is saying.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

I asked a question. But your last 2 verses you quoted have Paul saying it is ok to eat food offered to idols and Jesus warning against it.

What?!?!?!? Are you saying Paul says to do something Jesus says not to? Did I mis type the verse or does it really say that? What are you saying?

 

[Cameron143]

I believe 100% Yahshua is the one to YHWH says to listen to over all others:

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day

You believe parts of the Bible are more authoritative than others?

 

[Cameron143]

He's saying Paul is hard to understand.

That is not what Paul is saying.

That is what Paul is saying. He is teaching that all things are of God and if they don't offend the conscience and can be received with Thanksgiving, then it is ok to eat.

 

[Cameron143]

What?!?!?!? Are you saying Paul says to do something Jesus says not to? Did I mis type the verse or does it really say that? What are you saying?

You quoted a verse by Paul saying it was ok to eat food offered to idols. Then you quoted Jesus speaking against it. That was the impetus for my question.

 

[SomeDisciple]

That is what Paul is saying. He is teaching that all things are of God and if they don't offend the conscience and can be received with Thanksgiving, then it is ok to eat.

Uh... no.

He is spelling out specifically why it's not okay to eat food offered to idols. It does offend. If a brother sees you taking food offered to an idol; he might think it's okay to worship those gods.

It's not okay to eat food offered to idols.

 

[Cameron143]

Uh... no.

He is spelling out specifically why it's not okay to eat food offered to idols. It does offend. If a brother sees you taking food offered to an idol; he might think it's okay to worship those gods.

It's not okay to eat food offered to idols.

I agree he is teaching that we should refrain if it causes offense to a weaker brother, but he clearly says food does not commend us to God.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

You believe parts of the Bible are more authoritative than others?

I believe what YHWH says, " Him you shall hear according to all matters" When YHWH says hear Yahshua is all matters, I believe it. Who else in the entire Word did YHWH say that about? Nobody, never said it about anyone else. Deut 18:18-19

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

 

[SpeakTruth101]

That is what Paul is saying. He is teaching that all things are of God and if they don't offend the conscience and can be received with Thanksgiving, then it is ok to eat.

But in Acts 15 the Disciples of Jesus say not to eat meat offered to idols

Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”

Jesus also says not to do it

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Are you really telling me Paul goes against Jesus and the Disciples? This is crazy, Im not sure what to say

 

[SomeDisciple]

I agree he is teaching that we should refrain if it causes offense to a weaker brother, but he clearly says food does not commend us to God.

Exactly... it's not the FOOD that defiles or the FOOD that commends us to god. This is really about your influence on other people, and how this leads to actual idolatry; the fact that food is involved is incidental. Like... stolen food, for example. The "food" itself is not going to defile you, its having stolen the food, or knowing that the food is stolen.

 

[Cameron143]

I believe what YHWH says, " Him you shall hear according to all matters" When YHWH says hear Yahshua is all matters, I believe it. Who else in the entire Word did YHWH say that about? Nobody, never said it about anyone else. Deut 18:18-19

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

The entire word of God is God breathed. Paul got what he wrote from the Lord. What is the difference between God speaking through a prophet or speaking through the Son?

 

[Cameron143]

Exactly... it's not the FOOD that defiles or the FOOD that commends us to god. This is really about your influence on other people, and how this leads to actual idolatry; the fact that food is involved is incidental. Like... stolen food, for example. The "food" itself is not going to defile you, its having stolen the food, or knowing that the food is stolen.

Right. The kingdom of God is not meat or drink.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

The entire word of God is God breathed. Paul got what he wrote from the Lord. What is the difference between God speaking through a prophet or speaking through the Son?

All the prophets are amazing and the Disciples of Yahshua/Jesus also, but I take YHWH's word at face value, so can you explain to me the proper understanding of this passage because how I see it you seem to disagree with. I will post it and the original for you, im open for you to explain to me and I will listen, but you cant disagree, ignore a passage then expect me to agree with your stance

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Peter quoted that from this:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Peter seems to think YHWH is talking about Yahshua/Jesus and I agree.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Right. The kingdom of God is not meat or drink.

So we can discard Jesus word and His disciples word to the gentiles?

Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."