Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

Pilgrimshope · Aug 17, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Um no the new testsment is about receiving the spirit of Christ and walking in him it’s not about looking at ten “ thou shalt not “ that’s what these people need because they don’t have the spirit yet

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats not Christianity friend this is Christianity

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12, 31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

It’s not about Moses word that’s the covenant that was made and broken and why he was promising another one later

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses was the mediator when Israel was led out of Egypt that covenant was broken like God said it would be when he gave it to Moses

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now in Jeremiah he’s saying “ I’m going to make a new covenant not according to the one o made with israel when I brought them out of Egypt “

It’s sort of really clear isn’t it ? It’s just simplicity and how it all fits together

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the kingdom of God that Jesus was preaching , not this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe don’t need to know anymore about sin Jesus teaches us about righteousness. We don’t have to be told “ don’t kill each other “ we’re taught how to love one another and we’re supposed to follow what he’s telling us to do rather than fighting what he’s telling us not to do that speaks to the old sinner what Jesus says speaks to the new born believer in him

Following jesus will never lead any person to sin we no longer need Moses judgements we have Christs now

We no longer need to be convinced we’re sinners now we need remission of sins which the law doesn’t allow for because of it’s authority and ordination

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That isnt Jesus disposition that’s why the law speaks as though the people are all hard hearted sinners the angels ordained it and Moses was a harsh man also and mediated it what it means is you have the word coming through an unforgiving angel who will not pardon sin that’s why it’s so demanding and harsh a man picks up a stick on a sabbath day he is immediately stoned to death by the command of the authority of the law that doesn’t forgive

it doesn’t mix with Jesus he does pardon sin and he also redeems sinners from the law and it’s sentance of death

moses word couldn’t even save him he died because of one transgression and wasn’t allowed to enter the promised land that’s not going to save anyone it’s only going to do what it says there hold every sinner guilty before God it can’t do what the gospel can and they aren’t meant to be put together one was until the other came forth

Read Galatians three it explains all of it then it’s just an apostle your reading and not an old fool you do t know rambling on but be willing to let what Paul says sink in

ResidentAlien · Aug 17, 2023

SpeakTruth101 said:

Still can't discuss any of the many Scriptures I posted but need to personally attack... One with the love of YHWH would not seek to accuse and slander, but would seek to uplift, prove and speak the Word.

Genesis 3:2-4, "And the woman said to the naḥash, “We are to eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Elohim has said, ‘Do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.’ ” And the naḥash said to the woman, “You shall certainly not die."

The serpent said it was ok is disobey YHWH in the garden, seems the same lie continues. In Revelation it says the dragon fights against those who "keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus"

Revelation 12:16, "And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus."

Revelation 14:12-13, "Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow with them.

I'm standing firm in freedom with Christ; I have no intention of getting entangled again in the yoke of bondage. But you go right ahead, knock yourself out, don't let me stop you.

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

the yoke of bondage is sin, it is not "do not murder"

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 11:28-30, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I shall give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your beings. For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.”

1 John 5:2-3, ".....His commands are not heavy."

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Do you believe in following His Commandments as spoken in 1 John 5:2-3, Mat 22:37-40, Rev 12:17, 14:12 and John14:15?

Pilgrimshope · Aug 17, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:13-19‬ ‭

“Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:26-27‬ ‭

“blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”

ResidentAlien · Aug 17, 2023

SpeakTruth101 said:

the yoke of bondage is sin, it is not "do not murder"

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 11:28-30, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I shall give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your beings. For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.”

1 John 5:2-3, ".....His commands are not heavy."

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Do you believe in following His Commandments as spoken in 1 John 5:2-3, Mat 22:37-40, Rev 12:17, 14:12 and John14:15?

I'm standing firm in freedom with Christ; I have no intention of getting entangled in the yoke of bondage. But don't let me stop you.

The_Watchers_2017 · Aug 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Um no the new testsment is about receiving the spirit of Christ and walking in him it’s not about looking at ten “ thou shalt not “ that’s what these people need because they don’t have the spirit yet

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats not Christianity friend this is Christianity

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12, 31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

It’s not about Moses word that’s the covenant that was made and broken and why he was promising another one later

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses was the mediator when Israel was led out of Egypt that covenant was broken like God said it would be when he gave it to Moses

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now in Jeremiah he’s saying “ I’m going to make a new covenant not according to the one o made with israel when I brought them out of Egypt “

It’s sort of really clear isn’t it ? It’s just simplicity and how it all fits together

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the kingdom of God that Jesus was preaching , not this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe don’t need to know anymore about sin Jesus teaches us about righteousness. We don’t have to be told “ don’t kill each other “ we’re taught how to love one another and we’re supposed to follow what he’s telling us to do rather than fighting what he’s telling us not to do that speaks to the old sinner what Jesus says speaks to the new born believer in him

Following jesus will never lead any person to sin we no longer need Moses judgements we have Christs now

We no longer need to be convinced we’re sinners now we need remission of sins which the law doesn’t allow for because of it’s authority and ordination

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That isnt Jesus disposition that’s why the law speaks as though the people are all hard hearted sinners the angels ordained it and Moses was a harsh man also and mediated it what it means is you have the word coming through an unforgiving angel who will not pardon sin that’s why it’s so demanding and harsh a man picks up a stick on a sabbath day he is immediately stoned to death by the command of the authority of the law that doesn’t forgive

it doesn’t mix with Jesus he does pardon sin and he also redeems sinners from the law and it’s sentance of death

moses word couldn’t even save him he died because of one transgression and wasn’t allowed to enter the promised land that’s not going to save anyone it’s only going to do what it says there hold every sinner guilty before God it can’t do what the gospel can and they aren’t meant to be put together one was until the other came forth

Read Galatians three it explains all of it then it’s just an apostle your reading and not an old fool you do t know rambling on but be willing to let what Paul says sink in

not sure why ALL of your posts are Novels that don't really say much of anything at all?

how do you know you have Sinned?
Where is that SIN listed at, in its original definition in the Bible?
Whether we are Saved or Not, it does not STOP how we are able to define what Sin is.

So, when You SIN, how do you know it is a SIN?

Because, God said it is a SIN?

If God said it is a SIN, then it is a LAW created by God.

That, WILL NEVER CHANGE, no matter if you respond back with 50 pages of nothing!

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

So inability to adress anything concerning what He actually said?

Do you believe in following His Commandments as spoken in 1 John 5:2-3, Mat 22:37-40, Rev 12:17, 14:12 and John14:15?

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

“servants” is word #G1401 δοῦλος doulos (d̮ou'-los) n., 1. (involuntarily) a slave., 2. (of necessity) a bond-servant., 3. (figuratively) a voluntary, fully devoted servant., {literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency}, [from G1210], KJV: bond(-man), servant, Root(s): G1210

Luke 6:46-49, “46 But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?47 “Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: 48 “He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 “But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Pilgrimshope · Aug 17, 2023

SpeakTruth101 said:

what has changed is the Priesthood

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses words weren’t being spoken to people who had thoer sins remitted that changes everything you don’t say the same thing to a guilty unrepentant sinner as you do to someone who repents and co fesses thier sins and gets baptized knowing Gods promise of remission

you speak to prisoners who you know are going to keep offending one way

about you speak to your new born children who are innocent and clean washed and new in your eyes totally differently your disposition is not be he same because your speaking to hard hearted sinners and then to repentant sinners who king for righteousness and truth who mourn when they are the worlds state of wickedness all around them

If you examine closely the law of Moses it is also prophetic about Christ later coming with Gods word of salvstion and life like this

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses is saying the words of this future prophet are going to be the words of God that are required we don’t have to wonder if this is Jesus moses spoke of we have Peter

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-

and more than th at we have Jesus confirming it

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ( not what Moses said but what Jesus said ) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember what Moses said

will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

Jesus is the fulfillment of that moses already had made clear his words are going to be the words of God when he is raised up and they will be the words required by God just like Jesus and Peter are saying

this all the word we need

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t want or need this situation

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want this one

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is salvstion it won’t make us into killers and adulterers and thieves who need a stone around are neck reminding us “I better not kill that guy I want to but I better not “ that’s not for a born again believer it’s for people who want to kill it’s a warning not to follow your flesh we have the spirit to follow now because of the new covenant he made in Christ that’s not according to Moses words and authority that was broken

Pilgrimshope · Aug 17, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

a yeah some folks just think what they think even if you show them many many scriptures

anyways though I don’t want to argue so I just won’t bug ya anymore your entitled to your belief I hope it leads you where you want to go

ResidentAlien · Aug 17, 2023

SpeakTruth101 said:

So inability to adress anything concerning what He actually said?

Do you believe in following His Commandments as spoken in 1 John 5:2-3, Mat 22:37-40, Rev 12:17, 14:12 and John14:15?

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

“servants” is word #G1401 δοῦλος doulos (d̮ou'-los) n., 1. (involuntarily) a slave., 2. (of necessity) a bond-servant., 3. (figuratively) a voluntary, fully devoted servant., {literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency}, [from G1210], KJV: bond(-man), servant, Root(s): G1210

Luke 6:46-49, “46 But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?47 “Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: 48 “He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 “But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

I'm standing firm in freedom with Christ; I have no intention of getting entangled in the yoke of bondage. But don't let me stop you.

The_Watchers_2017 · Aug 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

in all honesty, I believe what you have added is TRUTH!

but, it had nothing to do with what i asked you.

And i am not interested in things I know and believe here, i am interested in the Fact that when God said, this is a SIN, that became a LAW created by God. And those SINS, all LAWS created by God, are in effect in YOUR life whether you like it or not.

Each time You SIN, you COMMIT a Transgression, which means, you broke the LAW.

Those SIN LAWS remains in EFFECT until the Judgement Day.

The_Watchers_2017 · Aug 17, 2023

God said to Adam, DO NOT EAT of this TREE!

If, that TREE, still exists, AND IT DOES BUT IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS NOW, that LAW to NOT EAT from IT, is still in EFFECT right now until Judgement Day!

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Correct because they would not give up the Levitical priesthood.

Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”

Not because one believes in "do not murder"

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

G3346 "change" is an abolishing of one (priesthood Levitical) and establishment of another (priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek)

G3331 "change" is a transfer (the law) form the Levitical to the order of Melchizedek

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

The Levitical priesthood is abolished, now the high priest is after the order of Melchizedek. The priesthood office remains the holder of the office changes. The law transfers mediation, and is mediated by the Messiah.

Hebrews 7:23-25, " 23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

yet the law remains, and is mediated by Jesus

Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

Pilgrimshope said:

Correct, and in Hebrew the word is "shawmah: to hear and obey..."listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
“judge” is word #1875 H1875 דָּרַשׁ darash (daw-rash') v.1. (properly) to tread or frequent.2. (usually) to follow (for pursuit or search).3. (by implication) to seek or ask.4. (specifically) to worship.[a primitive root]KJV: ask, X at all, care for, X diligently, inquire, make inquisition, (necro-)mancer, question, require, search, seek (for, out), X surely.

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

“does not obey” is word #G544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.

One of the things He says is:

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

studentoftheword · Aug 17, 2023

SpeakTruth101 -----

I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --

There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------

The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----

The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength

The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----

Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[a] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law[b] of faith

The Law of Liberty ----

James 1:25

Amplified Bible

25 But he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]

I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----

Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------

Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----

Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----

The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin -----

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

John 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”

John 5:39-40, " 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

The_Watchers_2017 · Aug 17, 2023

studentoftheword said:

SpeakTruth101 -----

I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --

There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------

The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----

The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength

The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----

Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[a] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law[b] of faith

The Law of Liberty ----

James 1:25

Amplified Bible

25 But he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]

I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----

Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------

Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----

Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----

The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin -----

when you commit a SIN, how do you know it is a SIN?

Pilgrimshope · Aug 17, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

yeah like I said bo worries some don’t see the same connections in scripture as others I meant no offense my point is simple to gaze at this

“Thou shalt not kill.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

isnt really how one serves and pleases God it is what god said to these folks

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

airs why it says “ don’t kill each other or you must be killed “ because it’s speaking to us repentance sinners . It says “ don’t make idols and worship them “ because hats what they were prone to do because of thier sins came the law it’s always been this way Gods response to murder is to command murderers not to kill ot they will be killed

what im saying is that’s not meant for us to think “ I need to stare at this stone tablet reminding me not to kill and if I keep these ten rules I’m staring at on these stones I’m serving God “

It’s not our covenant it’s only an earthly poor pattern of our covenant …

The law won’t help anyone not sin is the point it’s simple instead when you read a commandment it has this effect that actually provoked the sin in us

“For when we were in the flesh, ( Paul’s talking about baptism into Christ beginning in chapter 6) the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, ( Jesus words see John 6:63)

and not in the oldness of the letter.( the book of the law )

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:5-8‬ ‭

Do you see what I’m saying ? It seems simple to me but again we don’t always make the same connections as Christian’s when we read the same scriptures ……

Amy point isn’t and no one else’s point isn’t “ now we can be free to sin and it won’t count “ like you seem to be insisting isn’t the case I agree with that I think everyone else does too

aim saying right or wrong I don’t know . But my belief is we can’t actually serve the lord by following Moses book and the law given from Sinai because th ta not Gods actual word it has angelic disposition upon it the gospel is Jesus speaking the words of the father to his children who believe

there’s two covenants one can make us guilty the other can save our souls

The_Watchers_2017 · Aug 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

just so you know, this is for example only.

This, Thou Shalt not Kill, was put into Effect 4,800+ years ago.
Are we allowed to KILL today, or, is this LAW [Thou Shalt Not Kill], still in effect?

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

studentoftheword said:

Incorrect in that is for "Jewish nation only" Correct that one needs to go through Yahshua. .

I can easily disprove the only for Jewish people, but most people will not accept it.

Can you address these Scriptures?

Numbers 15:15-16, "One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.’ ”

Exodus 12:48-49, "“And when a stranger sojourns with you and shall perform the Pĕsaḥ to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and perform it, and he shall be as a native of the land. But let no uncircumcised eat of it. “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Hebrews 4:14-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of יהוה, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are, yet was without sin."

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Any coming to Yah, that commands are for them to follow.

Revelation 14:12-13, "Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”

SpeakTruth101 · Aug 17, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Because the Law says what is a sin and what is not. PERIOD.

If we choose ourselves every person has a different view of right and wrong, people will not be judged by their own imagination, but by

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before יהוה. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Only in a twisted mind does one think if they say they believe they dont have to obey...

James 2:14-17, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

The original hebrew word for "faith" means to be stadfast, that is faith is only faith if one actually does.

See
Habakkuk 2:4

#H530 אֱמוּנָה 'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f. אֱמֻנָה 'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity, [feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529

- Original: אמנה אמוּנה
- Transliteration: 'emuwnah
- Phonetic: em-oo-naw' or (shortened) 'emunah em-oo-naw'
- Definition:

1. firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
- Origin: from H529 *
- TWOT entry: 116e
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

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