People think you have to keep grace on a leash

Jason0047 · Apr 9, 2015

You don't understand what you are actually saying and or you do not realize what you are doing. However, I want to let you know that I love you in Christ Jesus. It is the doctrine I hate and not any person. For God commands me to love and to pray for my enemies. So just like God, I hate the sin but love the sinner. Anyways, I have studied OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) for many years and discussed it with many both in person and online. I even talked with a Pastor who believes in it. Most of them believe in some form of the deadly seven which gives a believer a license to sin on some level because they all say they will have some sin in their life (That is automatically covered by the blood of Jesus). This is not the way of grace, my friend. Grace is for those who repent of their sins. This means to confess one's sins and to forsake them. For with Jesus and obeying His teachings and walking in the Spirit, one can stop from being a slave to sin. One can then be a slave to righteousness instead. The Bible speaks in several places of us being perfect. Luke 6:40, Matthew 5:48, Matthew 19:21, Ephesians 4:13, 2 Timothy 3:16, James 3:2, 1 Corinthians 2:6, 2 Corinthians 13:11, Colossians 1:28. The Bible also tells us we can cease from sin (1 Peter 4:2) and it says that those that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For Peter identifies the false prophets as those who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

Anyways, I hope this helps.
May grace, peace, and love be unto you from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Please be well.
And may God bless you.

Jason0047 · Apr 9, 2015

Jason0047 said:

You don't understand what you are actually saying and or you do not realize what you are doing. However, I want to let you know that I love you in Christ Jesus. It is the doctrine I hate and not any person. For God commands me to love and to pray for my enemies. So just like God, I hate the sin but love the sinner. Anyways, I have studied OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) for many years and discussed it with many both in person and online. I even talked with a Pastor who believes in it. Most of them believe in some form of the deadly seven which gives a believer a license to sin on some level because they all say they will have some sin in their life (That is automatically covered by the blood of Jesus). This is not the way of grace, my friend. Grace is for those who repent of their sins. This means to confess one's sins and to forsake them. For with Jesus and obeying His teachings and walking in the Spirit, one can stop from being a slave to sin. One can then be a slave to righteousness instead. The Bible speaks in several places of us being perfect. Luke 6:40, Matthew 5:48, Matthew 19:21, Ephesians 4:13, 2 Timothy 3:16, James 3:2, 1 Corinthians 2:6, 2 Corinthians 13:11, Colossians 1:28. The Bible also tells us we can cease from sin (1 Peter 4:2) and it says that those that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For Peter identifies the false prophets as those who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

Anyways, I hope this helps.
May grace, peace, and love be unto you from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Please be well.
And may God bless you.

Edit Correction:

See 1 Peter 4:1 (And not 1 Peter 4:2) on a believer having ceased from sin.

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Jason0047 · Apr 9, 2015

peacefulbeliever said:

True Christians today know that it is Jesus Christ that made them righteous - I would say most Christians regardless if they believe in eternal security or not - WANT to live their lives in a way that is pleasing to God. I am so glad that YOU and others here in CC have been able to totally mortify the deeds of the flesh and walk as Christ walked. I have not attained that perfection - Paul didn't either -

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [Phil. 3:12-14] I guess I have a better view of my brothers and sisters in Christ than you do for I believe MOST Christians feel the same as Paul - we just live life and press onward.

The thorn in Paul's flesh was sent by a messenger of Satan . . . and you are correct, scripture doesn't say it was sin - but if you look at other places in which "thorn in my side" was used, you would know that it was the people around him tormenting him - it was making him weak. Wonder what he was thinking? I wish you @!#$ people would quit troubling me! After awhile with people troubling you, I imagine that sooner or later you would get spiritually weak and being spiritually weak could cause you to sin. You know that Paul was just a man like us - right?

Romans 4:4 means faith in God's word? . . . . Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. ?????????? I need you to look back and see if you misquoted the verse - happens to everyone.

Better study Hebrews 10:26 to find out what it really means although I have seen people address this verse many times already!

No we don't continue in sin - NO ONE wants to continue in sin . . . but my salvation and my righteousness is given to me through faith in Jesus Christ . . . .

True Christians are slaves to righteousness. True Christians are forbidden by Paul to continue in sin.

Just read Romans 6 and believe it.

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Jason! Jason!

How many people are following your post or mine?

If it was so "easy" Jesus came in vain and I know we can live a holy and sinless living, but nobody likes to be ruled by others. Just try to reach out those who are unbelievers and they will tell you better (and that´s the place where WE were commanded to go)

I remember you were witing your own Bible, helping her whereever you thought it needed to be helped and that reminds me my Catholic friend, who follows those lines his church writes along (and below) what it is written. He belives his church saves! And the truth is God saves, and He saves because of following and living a LIFE like the Loerd Jesus.

I can imagine OUR Lord molesting people telling them, each time, "live a life like this". I will see Him annoying (and boring). And fact, John the Baptist could have been boring, but his life was coherent, consistent in doing was he was preaching: A simple life, isolated and secluded in lonely places.

My Catholic friend shares with people. He works and gives money to the needy (he is also poor) but God gave him ways to get his money and he´s not lazy to work (I´m working with him these days). He has this croos:

He takes a book his church wrote and keeps on REPEATING what someone said it was "the formulae" to be heard by God (or Jesus) Well! In fact, he says God is Jesus (a thing I don´t believe) and, if He was so, he has "Jesus" crucified and "bleading"...

I don´t know how to tell him that he is wrong, because he thinks I´m wrong. He loves to tell me the RCC traditions, its rules and the "obedience" we protestants OWE his church, but he is all his way wrong (and think I´m wrong).

That´s idolatry!

He says so many things he learns from those books the RCC gave him to read, because the RCC has a seal to approve THEIR readings "Ex libris", although I can admit "we" are somewhat wronged on some good books they keep on reading in their Bibles, those we called "apocryfa".

Will you keep on babbling like the RCC does?

Will you keep on preaching on those who think they are actually "saved"? When the Lord said that:

"Luk 21:19 You will save yourselves by continuing strong in your faith through all these things. "

Salvation is a life and enduring process, it is NOT like saying: "I´m saved" (They love to hear that "believing" is enough)

In other words, Jesus said: "Luk 21:19 You will be saved by being faithful to me. "

But God is above Him:

Joh 14:28 You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

So, He said: "Joh 14:1 "Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me."

Again, He said:

Joh 14:1 Jesus said to his disciples, "Don't be worried! Have faith in God and have faith in me.

Why do we need to have faith in MEN on in their belief systems?

Have a look on this, Jason! If I believed I´m saved, by being holy and actually "saved" by saying "I believe in the Lord Jesus" (or in anything churchy people asked me to say) I´m not giving credit to waht the Lord Jeus actually said:

Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

I most be better than them who said: "I´m holy and perfect" so "I´m saved" (or sinless)

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

You follow Paul´s!

I will follow GOD and the Lord Jesus.

GandalfTheWhite · Apr 10, 2015

secularhermit said:

They are one and the same thing but just misinterpreted by the world today

GandalfTheWhite · Apr 10, 2015

God's word is perfect and if He allowed Paul in there it was for a reason but we have a warning:

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

This is an important warning and we have many people not listening to the Word of God trying to explain away their human desires.

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

GandalfTheWhite said:

I´m sure Paul is "Paul" (probably an invention of the RCC)
and God is the ONE I have spent a couple of years to "know" beyond what it is written. So I bettler believe what I walked than what it is TRADITIONALLY said (a non-trinitarianist is here)

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

GandalfTheWhite said:

I agree with your thought in blue.

PS

So, He said: "Joh 14:1 "Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me."

GandalfTheWhite · Apr 10, 2015

secularhermit said:

My brother, Paul never ever ever used the word trinity but he understood what Elohim is. I am not going into the trinity debate here but my friend God will reveal Himself to us and we just have to trust Him and His Word.

Apparently the RCC invented the word trinity 200AC but I could not find any clear evidence confirming this

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

secularhermit said:

Jason! Jason!

How many people are following your post or mine?

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He takes a book his church wrote and keeps on REPEATING what someone said it was "the formulae" to be heard by God (or Jesus) Well! In fact, he says God is Jesus (a thing I don´t believe) and, if He was so, he has "Jesus" crucified and "bleading"...

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I don´t know how to tell him that he is wrong, because he thinks I´m wrong. He loves to tell me the RCC traditions, its rules and the "obedience" we protestants OWE his church, but he is all his way wrong (and think I´m wrong).

That´s idolatry!

I most be better than them who said: "I´m holy and perfect" so "I´m saved" (or sinless)

This is what I checked and typed:

http://christianchat.com/blogs/secularhermit/7508-follow-god-lord-jesus.html

secularhermit · Apr 10, 2015

GandalfTheWhite said:

Absolutely, sir!

Those introduction "Paul" wrote never mentioned the trinity "doctrine". Instead, "he" always said "God" and, next "Jesus". So, it is my hunch, such a "doctrine" was invented sometime later and the RCC used "Paul´s" to back up its religious system, same way Jewish leaders had, before the Lord Jesus came.

GandalfTheWhite · Apr 10, 2015

secularhermit said:

Yes my friend, but we also have to agree that YHWH Elohim revealed Himself as ABBA Father, Yeshua the Messiah and Ruach Hakodesh. Yeshua is clear that He is one (echad) with the Father. I suspect that our Elohim is more complex than people want to give Him credit for and we will only see His full glory when we can face Him in our new bodies

Shalom brother.

Jason0047 · Apr 10, 2015

secularhermit said:

Paul and Jesus do not conflict with each other. If that was the case, then we can tear pages out of the Bible that we just do not like; And that would be wrong (of course). Anyways, good works are done by God thru the believer after they are saved (forgiven), regenerated spiritually, and have God living within them. Try reading Ezekiel 36:26-27. It will clear a lot of confusion you are having, my friend. We cannot take credit for our yielding to God with Him doing the good work in us. For it's why the elders cast their crowns down before Jesus. That is why Paul on side of the coin could say we are not saved by works (Because it was God working in them) and yet, James says we are justified by works because we yield to God working in us in the Sanctification process. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

As for Catholicism: Well, I see no support for any of it's practices in the Bible. But that is another discussion.

3Scoreand10 · Apr 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

I stand by what I said.
You have had a very limited contact with those of us who believe OSAS, LESS THAN 1%.
You are making statements based on a few wackos, not MOST of us.
You have said many times that MOSTos us believe what you claim we believe anf that is a LIE.
I have studied the Word for years, and I know what it teaches.
You are the one who does not understand.
You are the one who twist and takes out of context to make it teach your heresy.
I know the self-rightous Jason will never admit that he lied because that would be admitting he sined, but Jason when you said MOST, that is a LIE and makes you a LIAR.
I love the truth more that any man, therefore I am going to pray that God will stop you from teaching your hersey.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Yeah you keep saying this, I hear this from you people all the time, yet in my almost 50 years on earth, I have never heard one person claim this. I am not saying it never happens, James confronted them, peter chastened them, and Jude outright condemned them. just stating a fact. you say you hear all these people saying it like it is a huge problem. but I have never heard it. maybe it is a problem where you live, because you legalists have pushed them away from God? ( I know I have seen this happen alot)

who says or does this? I have yet to hear a person say this, even a non child of God would look at you like your a hypocrite if you claim you have faith in God, yet claim you never has to do a thing he says. your straw man has no weight, because it is based on a false premise that MAY be true in some people. but the people who would even say this are so few, it does not even amount to anything.

You slandered every one of us the moment you claimed our gospel message was from satan, and not from God.

your blind to your own words. don;t come in here slandering us, they cry like a baby when you get slandered back.

it is a HUGE difference to say you disagree with someone, and this is why, they to condemn them to be from satan! which you have done to every one of us.

ember · Apr 10, 2015

You are basically trying to get me to believe that God would save people who are actively rebelling against Him and being evil. If that is the case, then why not just save everyone then? Do you really expect me to shut off my moral compass and buy into the idea that God's people can get away with doing evil? Not a chance. I would rather die before that happens.

Nineveh

and you and me

eternally-gratefull · Apr 10, 2015

ember said:

amen, amazing the gospel message can change a whole evil city to turn them to god. But can;t change one person in a way he will change his life.

if people would just listen to what they preach, they would understand how foolish it is to even think that way.

ember · Apr 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

I have read it all....and I offered you a kleenex already

Let me know when the lions are let in. I'm something of an animal whisperer

ps: if you think you are casting pearls, why don't you obey scripture? I'm not being sarcastic

I would leave the thread if I thought people were trampling my pearls

ember · Apr 10, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

yup

plus, Jonah did not want to go to the city...God insisted on it, so, once again we can see where the real love comes from

all this nonsense about God dropping us on our heads if we sin is borderline blasphemy IMO.

God's character is trodden on and His love is made human rather than holy and divine.

Good thing God knows why we are the way we are and how we got to wherever we are...mistaken or not

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