You have to keep reading to verse 10. We are created unto good works. We are bought and paid for with a price, too. If God lives in us and we truly are his servants, then we will do what He wants us to do. Yes, we are saved by grace and not of works, but one will want to work because they have been saved. One will naturally let God flow thru them so that the Lord can do the good work within their hearts and lives.
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We yield to God wanting to do the good work within us. But we have to take that step of faith and believe that we should obey His teachings within His Word, though. That is why Christians cannot stop sinning. They do not obey the teachings of Jesus and they do not walk in the Spirit.
I would recommend checking out the verses that Alan Ballou puts forth in his videos here:
https://youtube.com/user/word4all
I would recommend checking out the verses that Alan Ballou puts forth in his videos here:
https://youtube.com/user/word4all
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I know of no sin that grace cannot cover - not only cover but cleanses us from all unrighteousness so that each day is a new beginning.
How does one administer grace personally for themselves? I know of no person who can administer grace for themselves except through faith. Grace is given by God through faith in Jesus Christ and it is a free gift!! Imagine that!!!
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23,24
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:4
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. [Romans. 5:1,2]
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [5:15]
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. [5:20]
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. [6:14] Sin no longer has dominion over us - sin does not RULE us . . . we are no longer servants to sin for we obey from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered to us - we are now servants to righteousness - we abhor sin, and within our heart of hearts, we do not want to sin.
Once we believe the doctrine that was delivered unto us and which we have heard, we have received grace from God unto salvation. Now does God know that still being in the flesh, we will sometimes succumb to the lust of the flesh? Apparently so because he set it up to where we could ask forgiveness and be cleansed from all unrighteousness and thus restore us back to fellowship and even this - he who says he is without sin, is a liar.
It's not like He did not know we would fail [that's why He sent his Son] . . . when we fail he takes away our salvation? God is an Indian giver? even knowing that we cannot be without sin 24/7 for the rest of our lives because we are in these earthen vessels - O wretched man that I am - who shall deliver me from this dead body? Jesus Christ will deliver us fully when he redeems us. Even though we are partakers of the divine nature, we still have the flesh nature. God does NOT possess people to where they can immediately walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh - that's why it is called a walk and why it is called a war, a battle!!! We are the ones who have to mortify the deeds of the flesh, we are the ones who have to renew our minds, we are the ones who have to put on the new, put off the old . . . Does Christ in give us the strength we need to overcome? Of course . . . . Greater is he that is me than he that is in the world.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of god, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal. 2:20,21
We all have "thorns in the flesh that buffet us" that cause us to be weak . . . And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
How does one administer grace personally for themselves? I know of no person who can administer grace for themselves except through faith. Grace is given by God through faith in Jesus Christ and it is a free gift!! Imagine that!!!
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23,24
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:4
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. [Romans. 5:1,2]
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [5:15]
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. [5:20]
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. [6:14] Sin no longer has dominion over us - sin does not RULE us . . . we are no longer servants to sin for we obey from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered to us - we are now servants to righteousness - we abhor sin, and within our heart of hearts, we do not want to sin.
Once we believe the doctrine that was delivered unto us and which we have heard, we have received grace from God unto salvation. Now does God know that still being in the flesh, we will sometimes succumb to the lust of the flesh? Apparently so because he set it up to where we could ask forgiveness and be cleansed from all unrighteousness and thus restore us back to fellowship and even this - he who says he is without sin, is a liar.
It's not like He did not know we would fail [that's why He sent his Son] . . . when we fail he takes away our salvation? God is an Indian giver? even knowing that we cannot be without sin 24/7 for the rest of our lives because we are in these earthen vessels - O wretched man that I am - who shall deliver me from this dead body? Jesus Christ will deliver us fully when he redeems us. Even though we are partakers of the divine nature, we still have the flesh nature. God does NOT possess people to where they can immediately walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh - that's why it is called a walk and why it is called a war, a battle!!! We are the ones who have to mortify the deeds of the flesh, we are the ones who have to renew our minds, we are the ones who have to put on the new, put off the old . . . Does Christ in give us the strength we need to overcome? Of course . . . . Greater is he that is me than he that is in the world.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of god, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal. 2:20,21
We all have "thorns in the flesh that buffet us" that cause us to be weak . . . And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Most (Not all) OSAS proponents today are double minded men. On hand, they give the impression that they are for God's righteousness and holiness and they say they do not actively strive to sin but yet they also believe they cannot stop sinning (Which is absolutely unbiblical). God's salvation is a free gift by faith and not of works. Very true. But what does one's faith look like, though? Is it non existent or a faith whereby the world thinks you are one of their own? Is it a faith that is mixed with sin and righteousness? See, we are bought and paid for with a price. We are not our own. We are either are going to be a slave to righteousness or a slave to sin. It's one or the other. One either serves God's Kingdom or they serve the devil's kingdom by working sin and iniquity (by making excuses for sin). For there are those who have turned the grace of our God into a license for immorality. I believe this describes most (not all) of the OSAS proponents today. Yes, some do not mean to outright sin against God and others but yet sin is still their slave, though. They believe they can have one foot in God's kingdom and one foot in the devil's kingdom. But it doesn't work like that. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For he that does not righteousness is not of God. He that sins is of the devil. So the cat is out of the bag right there. One cannot say they are for God's righteousness on the one hand within His Word and then break that very Word in their next breathe. That would make them a hypocrite. Jesus said to the Pharisees that the reason why they seeked to kill him was that his Word did not abide in them. For all who live Godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. Are you being persecuted for living Godly within your faith? The Scriptures do talk about that and it is important that we as believers walk by faith in righteousness (With no enslavement to sin).
Why? For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.
When Paul was talking to the Galatians, he was talking about those who wanted to go back to circumcising themselves according to the Law of Moses. But the Law of Moses has passed away. We are under a New Covenant now whereby Jesus gave us new teachings that we are to obey. For Jesus said, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and you do not do what I say? See, Christians today are all about grace, but they are not about actually following Jesus, though. They say they are for righteousness but yet they still do evil and sin. How can one be righteous and still do evil? That doesn't make any sense. See, that is why I will never understand the OSAS belief, nor will I ever accept it. It is a doctrine of evil to me because it allows or makes excuses for sin by saying you can commit certain sins on occasion and still be saved under certain circumstances.
But the true believer love Jesus Christ enough to put away their sin by obeying Him (and His teachings) and by walking in the Spirit. For Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus said his friends are those who obey his commandments. Jesus said his brothers, his mother, and sisters are those who obey the will of the Father. As for grace being sufficient and his strength being made perfect in weakness, this was in context to the thorn that was in Paul's flesh and not to sin that he was struggling with.
As for Romans 4:4. One's faith is accounted to them as righteousness. Faith in what? Faith in God's Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). We get faith by obeying the Word or Christ's teachings. We do not get faith by disobeying or turning our backs on Jesus or doing the opposite of what he says. Or do you think those who stopped following Jesus were saved?
Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul says God forbid. Meaning you can't sin. Yet you believe you can sin and that it is covered automatically. Yet Hebrews 10:26 says, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
Why? For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.
When Paul was talking to the Galatians, he was talking about those who wanted to go back to circumcising themselves according to the Law of Moses. But the Law of Moses has passed away. We are under a New Covenant now whereby Jesus gave us new teachings that we are to obey. For Jesus said, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and you do not do what I say? See, Christians today are all about grace, but they are not about actually following Jesus, though. They say they are for righteousness but yet they still do evil and sin. How can one be righteous and still do evil? That doesn't make any sense. See, that is why I will never understand the OSAS belief, nor will I ever accept it. It is a doctrine of evil to me because it allows or makes excuses for sin by saying you can commit certain sins on occasion and still be saved under certain circumstances.
But the true believer love Jesus Christ enough to put away their sin by obeying Him (and His teachings) and by walking in the Spirit. For Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus said his friends are those who obey his commandments. Jesus said his brothers, his mother, and sisters are those who obey the will of the Father. As for grace being sufficient and his strength being made perfect in weakness, this was in context to the thorn that was in Paul's flesh and not to sin that he was struggling with.
As for Romans 4:4. One's faith is accounted to them as righteousness. Faith in what? Faith in God's Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). We get faith by obeying the Word or Christ's teachings. We do not get faith by disobeying or turning our backs on Jesus or doing the opposite of what he says. Or do you think those who stopped following Jesus were saved?
Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul says God forbid. Meaning you can't sin. Yet you believe you can sin and that it is covered automatically. Yet Hebrews 10:26 says, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
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Yep, I am bought and paid for - God does not take me back to the "store" because he is unhappy or grieved by my actions. I am NOT promoting sin - I am not a servant of sin - I am a servant of righteousness. Do I have a battle to fight? Does the flesh lust against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh? Because we are born again of God's spirit, does that make the flesh perfect?
[but yet they also believe they cannot stop sinning (Which is absolutely unbiblical)] If it is unbiblical that we cannot COMPLETELY stop sinning and God knows this - then why tell us that if we sin, we ask for forgiveness and we are once again cleansed? Why do we have an advocate - why would we need one? Why, if God expects us to be ABSOLUTELY perfect and have NO sin, does He say "if we say we have no sin we are liars? Have we crucified ALL affections and lusts or is it a daily renewing of the mind? We live by the Spirit [salvation] and we walk by the Spirit [our walk] - This is our life whether it be a struggle in some areas more than others; we do mortify the deeds of the flesh. Our heart, our inner creation, the new man, the divine nature wants to ALWAYS do what is right - that is our desire. BTW, if we could completely stop sinning - what do we need grace for? What do we need an advocate for? Why do we need someone to intercede for us?
Has Christ destroyed the works of the devil YET? Wonder why he tells us: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about seeking whom he may devour. [1 Peter 5:8] And we are to resist the devil and he will flee as we submit ourselves to God [James 4:7] Why warn us if he is defeated already? Why must we put on the whole armour of God if we have nothing to fight against? [Eph. 6] Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see NOT YET all things put under him. [Heb. 2:8] . . . . Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [Heb. 2:14] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [1 Co. 15:26]
[but yet they also believe they cannot stop sinning (Which is absolutely unbiblical)] If it is unbiblical that we cannot COMPLETELY stop sinning and God knows this - then why tell us that if we sin, we ask for forgiveness and we are once again cleansed? Why do we have an advocate - why would we need one? Why, if God expects us to be ABSOLUTELY perfect and have NO sin, does He say "if we say we have no sin we are liars? Have we crucified ALL affections and lusts or is it a daily renewing of the mind? We live by the Spirit [salvation] and we walk by the Spirit [our walk] - This is our life whether it be a struggle in some areas more than others; we do mortify the deeds of the flesh. Our heart, our inner creation, the new man, the divine nature wants to ALWAYS do what is right - that is our desire. BTW, if we could completely stop sinning - what do we need grace for? What do we need an advocate for? Why do we need someone to intercede for us?
Has Christ destroyed the works of the devil YET? Wonder why he tells us: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about seeking whom he may devour. [1 Peter 5:8] And we are to resist the devil and he will flee as we submit ourselves to God [James 4:7] Why warn us if he is defeated already? Why must we put on the whole armour of God if we have nothing to fight against? [Eph. 6] Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see NOT YET all things put under him. [Heb. 2:8] . . . . Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [Heb. 2:14] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [1 Co. 15:26]
So we can be carried away and locked down into "bondage thinking" with a sense of despondence, hopelessness and confusion like the doctrine you are teaching causes?
There are only two possible outcomes with the false doctrine you are subscribing to Jason: Either a sense of hopelessness because whether you like to think so or not, you cannot be sinless to work in collaboration with Jesus' death for your salvation. And your doctrine teaches if you sin you lose your salvation. That would scare me and keep me up every night because it's impossible to achieve.
Or--
Delusional pride thinking you actually are perfect. And that's just comical to me.
No thanks.
There are only two possible outcomes with the false doctrine you are subscribing to Jason: Either a sense of hopelessness because whether you like to think so or not, you cannot be sinless to work in collaboration with Jesus' death for your salvation. And your doctrine teaches if you sin you lose your salvation. That would scare me and keep me up every night because it's impossible to achieve.
Or--
Delusional pride thinking you actually are perfect. And that's just comical to me.
No thanks.
True Christians today know that it is Jesus Christ that made them righteous - I would say most Christians regardless if they believe in eternal security or not - WANT to live their lives in a way that is pleasing to God. I am so glad that YOU and others here in CC have been able to totally mortify the deeds of the flesh and walk as Christ walked. I have not attained that perfection - Paul didn't either -
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [Phil. 3:12-14] I guess I have a better view of my brothers and sisters in Christ than you do for I believe MOST Christians feel the same as Paul - we just live life and press onward.
The thorn in Paul's flesh was sent by a messenger of Satan . . . and you are correct, scripture doesn't say it was sin - but if you look at other places in which "thorn in my side" was used, you would know that it was the people around him tormenting him - it was making him weak. Wonder what he was thinking? I wish you @!#$ people would quit troubling me! After awhile with people troubling you, I imagine that sooner or later you would get spiritually weak and being spiritually weak could cause you to sin. You know that Paul was just a man like us - right?
Romans 4:4 means faith in God's word? . . . . Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. ?????????? I need you to look back and see if you misquoted the verse - happens to everyone.
Better study Hebrews 10:26 to find out what it really means although I have seen people address this verse many times already!
No we don't continue in sin - NO ONE wants to continue in sin . . . but my salvation and my righteousness is given to me through faith in Jesus Christ . . . .
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [Phil. 3:12-14] I guess I have a better view of my brothers and sisters in Christ than you do for I believe MOST Christians feel the same as Paul - we just live life and press onward.
The thorn in Paul's flesh was sent by a messenger of Satan . . . and you are correct, scripture doesn't say it was sin - but if you look at other places in which "thorn in my side" was used, you would know that it was the people around him tormenting him - it was making him weak. Wonder what he was thinking? I wish you @!#$ people would quit troubling me! After awhile with people troubling you, I imagine that sooner or later you would get spiritually weak and being spiritually weak could cause you to sin. You know that Paul was just a man like us - right?
Romans 4:4 means faith in God's word? . . . . Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. ?????????? I need you to look back and see if you misquoted the verse - happens to everyone.
Better study Hebrews 10:26 to find out what it really means although I have seen people address this verse many times already!
No we don't continue in sin - NO ONE wants to continue in sin . . . but my salvation and my righteousness is given to me through faith in Jesus Christ . . . .