People who have addictions are sinners

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FireOnTheAltar

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One of the mistakes that people with addictions often make is the thinking error of believing that their addiction controls them and that they are too weak or entirely powerless to make different choices. The truth is that they are too strong willed and want the thing that they are addicted to more than anything else, even if they would argue to the contrary. For an alcoholic the alcohol is what this person wants more than family, friends, finances or other things. Where they feel trapped by alcohol, they are actually trapped by their own strong desire to consume alcohol. Hence they are too strong, not too weak. It is a cognitive error that forms the foundation of practically any addiction.
After saying this, I would argue that there are no addictive substances, but addictive personalities.
I agree completely. This is exactly we Jesus taught that if we are to truly become His disciple, we have our own cross to bear.... death to self.
 

zone

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I agree with you in theory, Elizabeth, but do you intend to call out those who use drinks with caffiene, or who eat foods with enormous amounts of salts, fats, and sugars? What about people who live extremely sedentary lives (like people who are on CC seemingly 24/7)? Are we to suggest that people who are obsessive about taking care of their bodies are exemplars?

In the end I think the questions you are asking are, at heart, the same issue that Christians in Rome and Corinth were dealing with- ie food sacrificed to idols. Paul is clear in both cases that this is a matter of conscience rather than black and white, cut and dry. At the end of the day, one has to decide about all food and all other activites: Can I do whatever I am doing for the glory of God? I don't see how one can smoke or get drunk for the glory of God, but like I said, I also don't see how one can eat doritos to the glory of God and I've never seen anyone calling anyone else out for it. "Food for thought"

distinctive, good post...hehehe:D

kudos.
 
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Take smoking for example. How can a Christian smoke?

Isn't your body a temple?
Also, how can you stop smoking, and other addictions?

IF you are a godly person then you why would a person smoke, drink, or use any type of substance or have addictions?

Discuss.


We can talk about chocolate. Having a problem controlling that?
 
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I agree with you in theory, Elizabeth, but do you intend to call out those who use drinks with caffiene, or who eat foods with enormous amounts of salts, fats, and sugars? What about people who live extremely sedentary lives (like people who are on CC seemingly 24/7)? Are we to suggest that people who are obsessive about taking care of their bodies are exemplars?

In the end I think the questions you are asking are, at heart, the same issue that Christians in Rome and Corinth were dealing with- ie food sacrificed to idols. Paul is clear in both cases that this is a matter of conscience rather than black and white, cut and dry. At the end of the day, one has to decide about all food and all other activites: Can I do whatever I am doing for the glory of God? I don't see how one can smoke or get drunk for the glory of God, but like I said, I also don't see how one can eat doritos to the glory of God and I've never seen anyone calling anyone else out for it. "Food for thought"

Coffee that's a good one! The 6th cup before lunch pastor!
 
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rainacorn

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Romans 7:19-25

"For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin"
 

Kathleen

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Take smoking for example. How can a Christian smoke?

Isn't your body a temple?
Also, how can you stop smoking, and other addictions?

IF you are a godly person then you why would a person smoke, drink, or use any type of substance or have addictions?

Discuss.
Addictions are a sin. It says somewhere, dont ask me where about, in the bible that nothing should be master of your body. Addiction to a substance of any kind, means that something else is master to your body.

The problem with addcition is that these things that you are addicted to, they are not in balance...and too much of anything isnt good for you. A little bit of alchohol is fine, drunkeness is a sin. Eating till you are full is fine, but after that it is gluttoney, a sin.

Also, as said, your body is a temple to the Holy Spirit. Things like smoking and drinking, they are damaging to your body, ergo the temple. For this reason, you should refain from them. However, befroe anyone jumps at me...too much of caffine and chocolate is also not good for you for obvious reasons, but generally, the damage done by these are reversable to most/all extent. That cant be said for alchohol and smoking.

However, we all fall short of the Glory of God.

God Bless
Kath
 
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I don't believe that they are sinners. The Bible doesn't say that it is a sin to be addicted. I think the verses you are using are a little out of context and don't mention the word addiction. Alot of people who believe the Gospel do things that others don't agree with. I think we should keep the "law of the land." I think we should not be drunk, but at the same time Jesus himself drank a little wine and now that we are not under the law we are allowed to eat all the food we want. I don't think we should be too much over weight, but I do think we can eat everything that is eatable.
 

Elizabeth619

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I don't believe that they are sinners. The Bible doesn't say that it is a sin to be addicted. I think the verses you are using are a little out of context and don't mention the word addiction. Alot of people who believe the Gospel do things that others don't agree with. I think we should keep the "law of the land." I think we should not be drunk, but at the same time Jesus himself drank a little wine and now that we are not under the law we are allowed to eat all the food we want. I don't think we should be too much over weight, but I do think we can eat everything that is eatable.

I do see where yo uare coming from, but at the same time our bodies were given to us. By God. Addiction or doing something to harm the physical or spiritual body isn't a good thing.

We should all respect our bodies. Just because something is there, doesnt mean we should do it.

What about temptation? Satan tempts us all the time. Whether it is food, drugs, alcohol, sex and so on.

Take alcohol for example. Someone stated that a little bit is ok...well, maybe....but a little can turn in to alot. A simple taste is the temptation. All alcoholcs started with just one drink.
 

Kathleen

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I don't believe that they are sinners. The Bible doesn't say that it is a sin to be addicted. I think the verses you are using are a little out of context and don't mention the word addiction. Alot of people who believe the Gospel do things that others don't agree with. I think we should keep the "law of the land." I think we should not be drunk, but at the same time Jesus himself drank a little wine and now that we are not under the law we are allowed to eat all the food we want. I don't think we should be too much over weight, but I do think we can eat everything that is eatable.
Hey,
You wont find a scripture with the word homosexuality or masturbation. But there are verses against it. Just..thought you should consider that :L

I do see where yo uare coming from, but at the same time our bodies were given to us. By God. Addiction or doing something to harm the physical or spiritual body isn't a good thing.

We should all respect our bodies. Just because something is there, doesnt mean we should do it.

What about temptation? Satan tempts us all the time. Whether it is food, drugs, alcohol, sex and so on.

Take alcohol for example. Someone stated that a little bit is ok...well, maybe....but a little can turn in to alot. A simple taste is the temptation. All alcoholcs started with just one drink.
I agree, one sip can turn into alot. It is best to refrain from all earthly temptations, for the risk of falling into sin.
 

zone

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Romans 7:19-25

"For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin"
girl, i luv your posts (and your avatar...haha)
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Take smoking for example. How can a Christian smoke?

Isn't your body a temple?
Also, how can you stop smoking, and other addictions?

IF you are a godly person then you why would a person smoke, drink, or use any type of substance or have addictions?

Discuss.
I agree that we shouldn’t have addictions.
 

pickles

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Romans 7:19-25

"For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin"
Amen and amen!


God bless.
pickles
 
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Hey,
You wont find a scripture with the word homosexuality or masturbation. But there are verses against it. Just..thought you should consider that :L



I agree, one sip can turn into alot. It is best to refrain from all earthly temptations, for the risk of falling into sin.
There are verses against homosexuality in the Bible, Romans 1:26-27.
I don't even want to talk about the other thing you said.
Name one verse that says you can't be addicted to something.
 

Kathleen

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There are verses against homosexuality in the Bible, Romans 1:26-27.
I don't even want to talk about the other thing you said.
Name one verse that says you can't be addicted to something.
No, see, you never read my post correctly. You wont see the WORD homosexuality, but it doesnt mean that there isnt scripture against it. Just like the word addiction isnt in the bible, there are still scripture against it.
I know lots of scriptures, but i never remember where exactly ive read them. So im afraid, i cant give you a direct quote, though someone previously has posted something similiar from romans6 or 7?
However, nature itself teaches that it it isnt a good thing to be addicted to anything. Infact, its often referred to a diesease.
 

gb9

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Colossians 2: 16-23. it just amazes me that so many people just can't accept that having a drink is not a sin.it is not in the Bible.i have deep respect for those and pray for those who are struggling with addaction.but not everyone who drinks is a drunk.you must take verses in context and not wrongly connect them.see way to much of this on this board.