People Who Never Have the Chance to be Saved

[dcontroversal]

This is like the proverbial guy on the island who never gets a chance......the following bible verses and or biblical truths lay the ground work....

1. Day unto day and night unto night utters speech and no language or voice where they are not heard...
2. The invisible things testify to the Godhead and His power
3. God has dealt to every man the ability to believe
4. Salvation is open unto all
5. God would have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth
6. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked
7. God has made salvation by grace thru faith and it is a free gift through Christ

Romans testifies that no one is without excuse as God has done everything possible but believe for the individual...If an individual can see (number 1 and 2) above and has a sincere desire to see the truth God will make a way for them to hear the truth....Just like the Ethiopian Eunuch.....Jesus said that all that the Father had given him he would loose NOTHING, but raise it up the last day! God is just and if a man sincerely wants to know God in spirit and in truth God will make a way and God will not send one to hell that does not deserve to be there because of a rejection of his one and only Son!

 

[Gr8grace]

This is like the proverbial guy on the island who never gets a chance......the following bible verses and or biblical truths lay the ground work....

1. Day unto day and night unto night utters speech and no language or voice where they are not heard...
2. The invisible things testify to the Godhead and His power
3. God has dealt to every man the ability to believe
4. Salvation is open unto all
5. God would have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth
6. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked
7. God has made salvation by grace thru faith and it is a free gift through Christ

Romans testifies that no one is without excuse as God has done everything possible but believe for the individual...If an individual can see (number 1 and 2) above and has a sincere desire to see the truth God will make a way for them to hear the truth....Just like the Ethiopian Eunuch.....Jesus said that all that the Father had given him he would loose NOTHING, but raise it up the last day! God is just and if a man sincerely wants to know God in spirit and in truth God will make a way and God will not send one to hell that does not deserve to be there because of a rejection of his one and only Son!

This is what gets overlooked for the most part.

God has done something about our total depravity. He put eternity on a mans heart

He rightly condemned ALL, He can rightly offer salvation to ALL.

Very Good words Brother. And it is the Good news.

 

[mpaper345]

Hi I am a Mormon who is currently looking into Christianity. I have been wondering if anyone knows what happens to the people who simply did not get the opportunity to learn about Jesus and accept Him? Are they automatically going to hell? I'm talking about the people who would have accepted Jesus if they could. This describes billions of people... If they do go to hell, that makes God seem like a partial God because He put some of His children in places where they could be saved and others in places where He knew would never get that opportunity. This idea bothers me soo much. Do Christians really believe this? Anyway, thank you in advance for your answers!
God bless!

God is a loving God and would not condemn someone who has never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel,or the Old Testament or the New Testament.

All people who confessed Christ and did right will be in the millennial reign of Christ,which I also believe it would include the Old Testament saints for they looked to a Prophet to come that would give them a relationship with God that is everlasting.

Zechariah chapter 14 says when God comes to fight at the battle of Armageddon that all the saints are with Him,so it would include both Old and New Testament saints.

Those that have never heard of a God will be judged on their belief in a God and living moral,and doing the best they can,and asking God to forgive them of their sins if they done wrong,for we know right from wrong.The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love if the fulfilling of the law,which is what they would have to go by both Old and New Testament,for they did not know about blood sacrifices in the Old Testament.

The Bible says that creation testifies there is a God,and the invisible things of Him are clearly seen in the things that are made,even His Godhead,which means His attributes.God said creation testifies that He exists and of His attributes,that He is good for He provided food,clothing,and shelter,for mankind,and He is intelligent,and powerful.

Since creation testifies that God exists and is good,for He provided for people's needs,then since God created people,then they should be loving towards other people and do good,which the Bible says nobody has an excuse for not believing this.

Since this is referring to mankind in general,Romans chapter 1 is not referring to people having to acknowledge the God of Israel,for not everybody knows the God of Israel,but it means they can come to the conclusion that there is a higher power that created all things,that loves people and is good,so they should do the same.

All people that are with Christ will reign with Him during the millennial reign of Christ,and after the millennial reign of Christ,all the rest of the people will be judged,and if they believed in a higher power,and loved people,even if they did not know God's ways perfect,if they asked for forgiveness if there is anything they done wrong,and asked God to help them know who He is,then they should be able to dwell with God for eternity.

The Bible says whoever is not found written in the Lamb's book of life will be lost,so there can also be people that are written in it that are not lost.

 

[Gr8grace]

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Romans 10:9-10

The Heart is your right lobe of the brain. Not some muscle that pumps blood.

Confessing with your mouth to be saved is nothing more than works salvation.

Paul is talking about the Jews in Romans 10:9.

On every Sabbath in the temple the Jew would confess with their lips ," Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One."

Paul is telling the Jews that salvation is not in heaven or in the abyss........It is right on their lips every time they say"Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad." They Just need to see that Jesus is JHWH.

 

[atwhatcost]

The object of our choice saves us. Not our choice.

Genesis 6:5 and the flood account never tells us that they were all unbelievers. Believers can be very wicked and evil. But they are still saved and can be put to physical death as divine punishment.


40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Looks and believes is in the active voice. The "everyone" actively looks and believes in Him. Then the Holy Spirit makes that faith effectual for salvation.

2 Cor 6:2~~New American Standard Bible
for He says, "AT THE ACCEPTABLE TIME I LISTENED TO YOU, AND ON THE DAY OF SALVATION I HELPED YOU." Behold, now is "THE ACCEPTABLE TIME," behold, now is "THE DAY OF SALVATION "--

The Father chooses us based upon our belief.

You're right. Gen. 6:5 doesn't say they were believers. It says they are Man. That's what Man was before and after the flood.

And God doesn't need our say-so to save us. If he did, no one would be saved. Our belief was to hide in the dark. It suited our purposes.

As for John 6:40? Out of context, is sounds like you have something. In context, (provided above), it is the Father's choice and the Son's doing. Not ours. (Still.)

As for 2 Cor. 6:2? Check out what "accepted" means in that verse. Favorable -- as in, again, God's choice. His favor. His acceptableness. Not ours.

You're kind of proving my case for me.

 

[secularhermit]

Do those who never met Jesus, the previous lifetime He came... Are those bound to perish?

Is that the Almighty and loving God we´ve heard of?

He is NOT limited to human limits.

 

[Gr8grace]

You're right. Gen. 6:5 doesn't say they were believers. It says they are Man. That's what Man was before and after the flood.

And God doesn't need our say-so to save us. If he did, no one would be saved. Our belief was to hide in the dark. It suited our purposes.

As for John 6:40? Out of context, is sounds like you have something. In context, (provided above), it is the Father's choice and the Son's doing. Not ours. (Still.)

As for 2 Cor. 6:2? Check out what "accepted" means in that verse. Favorable -- as in, again, God's choice. His favor. His acceptableness. Not ours.

You're kind of proving my case for me.

Its a favorable time because of faith from an unbeliever. It is why NOW is ALWAYS a favorable time.

God needs our belief to save us. Did we make it this way? NO. He made it this way so He could offer salvation to all, because His Justice was satisfied on the Cross for ALL of mankind.

God cannot bypass the cross and save someone so they can believe on the Cross. they Have to believe on the cross to be saved.

If he has to regenerate people so they can believe on the Cross......................He would of never had to send us His Son. He could of sent us a grape that turned into a raisin for our salvation.

 

[Magenta]

The Heart is your right lobe of the brain. Not some muscle that pumps blood.

The heart is interpreted to mean a person's innermost self.

Confessing with your mouth to be saved is nothing more than works salvation.

That is what you promoted, and I corrected with Scripture. Just saying you believe is not enough.

 

[phil112]

Hi I am a Mormon who is currently looking into Christianity. I have been wondering if anyone knows what happens to the people who simply did not get the opportunity to learn about Jesus and accept Him?..................................

I would like to see you point out someone like this. Certainly you won't find any today on the known continents.
To answer your question, God has given man a conscience - He wrote His law on our hearts. When we obey our conscience we are acceptable to God.

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 

[atwhatcost]

Its a favorable time because of faith from an unbeliever. It is why NOW is ALWAYS a favorable time.

God needs our belief to save us. Did we make it this way? NO. He made it this way so He could offer salvation to all, because His Justice was satisfied on the Cross for ALL of mankind.

God cannot bypass the cross and save someone so they can believe on the Cross. they Have to believe on the cross to be saved.

If he has to regenerate people so they can believe on the Cross......................He would of never had to send us His Son. He could of sent us a grape that turned into a raisin for our salvation.

And now an unbeliever's choice, faith, and belief saves? Not good.

 

[atwhatcost]

I would like to see you point out someone like this. Certainly you won't find any today on the known continents.
To answer your question, God has given man a conscience - He wrote His law on our hearts. When we obey our conscience we are acceptable to God.

My niece. She has Rett Syndrome, including severe intellectual disability, so understands nothing.

 

[Jason0047]

Hi I am a Mormon who is currently looking into Christianity. I have been wondering if anyone knows what happens to the people who simply did not get the opportunity to learn about Jesus and accept Him? Are they automatically going to hell? I'm talking about the people who would have accepted Jesus if they could. This describes billions of people... If they do go to hell, that makes God seem like a partial God because He put some of His children in places where they could be saved and others in places where He knew would never get that opportunity. This idea bothers me soo much. Do Christians really believe this? Anyway, thank you in advance for your answers!
God bless!

What About Those People Who Have Died Never Hearing About Jesus?

God is sovereign over His creation. God knows the hearts of all men. God knows the future of every person because God is outside of time. God is righteous and good and He will judge all men fairly. So what about those who die not hearing the gospel message or without hearing about Jesus? Is there a chance they are saved? Can someone live righteously apart from faith in Jesus and be saved? No, it's not possible. Yeah, but that doesn't sound fair.

Well, you have to understand that if any man desires to truly know God, the Lord will send someone so that they may hear the gospel message. However, those who do not desire God or those who will just end up rejecting God's message are under no obligation that they must receive the gospel message in order to be condemned. First, God would have already known about their denial of Him (if they were to have heard the gospel message). There are no surprises for God. There is nothing that He does not know. He knows the life of an entire individual before they are even born. That is why God is able to take innocent babies to Paradise. God knows that these babies are those who would have accepted Him if they lived out their life. Second, men do not seek after God. The Bible teaches that the unbelieving individual is “holding down the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18). For man is not seeking after God but actually running from Him. “There is none that seeketh after God” (Romans 3:11, KJV). Therefore, it is not a case of God refusing to get His Word to someone who is desperately searching for the truth.

In other words, those who have not heard of the gospel message and died are those type of people of whom God knew would have just rejected Jesus and the gospel anyways. For if anyone who truly desires God, then the Lord will send them a true believer whereby they will hear about Jesus and the gospel.

For God answered the prayer of Cornelius, and sent the apostle Peter to him to give him the full story of Jesus. When Peter preached to him, Cornelius put his trust in Christ as his Savior. This example demonstrates that anyone who is sincerely desiring to know God will hear about Jesus.

There are people today, like Cornelius, who are praying the same prayer to know the true and living God, and they are being reached no matter where they might live. Simon Peter stated, “I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him” (Acts 10:34–35, KJV).

The Scriptures contain other examples of individuals who were accepted by God, even though their knowledge of Him was limited. Rahab, the prostitute, had only the smallest amount of knowledge of God, but the Bible refers to her as a woman of faith, and her actions were commended (Joshua 2:9; Hebrews 11:31).

Naaman, the Syrian, was granted peace with God because he exercised faith, even though he was living in the midst of a pagan culture (II Kings 5:15–19). Jonah, the prophet, was sent to Nineveh, a heathen society, and they repented at his preaching (Jonah 3:5).

No one will be condemned for not ever hearing of Jesus Christ. That person will be condemned for violating his own moral standard. “For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; ) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel” (Romans 2:12–16, KJV).

In fact, it is the same way God has always done things. For God operated in the same way in the Old Testament, too. For God or Christ does not change (Malachi 3:6) (Hebrews 13:8). He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is loving and fair to all people. But not all people desire God, though.


Source Used:
http://www.josh.org/resources/study-...d-about-jesus/

 

[Jason0047]

Hi I am a Mormon who is currently looking into Christianity

This is a comic book gospel tract on how to accept Jesus Christ. It also shows how the Mormon church's teachings are also Unbiblical, too.

The Visitors.

I hope this helps.
And may God bless you.