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The Bible will teach that we Christians should no longer walk after the old man, that is, the old sinful nature that we once had. On the contrary, we should be like Christ; holy, perfect, and without blame. We are servants of the Most High God, ambassadors, the salt of the earth, the light that shines in darkness. Or as Paul said in Galatians 2:20: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Or as said in Ephesians 4:13: "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" Again and again, through the scriptures we are told that we are a new creation as in 2 Corinthians 5:17. So although you will not find a specific verse that says "masturbation is a sin", we can conclude that it is not something that a Christian should do, why? well, besides all the talk about Christians striving to be like our Lord, in essence what you are doing is lusting with your eyes and/or mind to satisfy/stimulate your flesh. Surely, you are not going to say that you can masturbate without watching inappropriate images or imagining them. Brother, the solution to this common issue is to A) marry and have your own wife, not: a girlfriend. Or 2) pray to God and ask for spiritual strength, Paul said: "This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16). But for you to walk in the spirit, you need to yield yourself to the word of God daily., The word of God is the bread for the soul. Brothers, Christianity is not for a moment, nor once a week, but rather, it is a a way of living. Be sober minded casting down all thoughts of the imagination that are unfruitful and offend God. And in like so manner, we are to mortify the members of our body, that is to say: discipline, contain, and restrain.

God bless all of you.
 
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Yes, but why did God think it was evil? Because he wasted his seed, or because of the reason he wasted his seed? I've always thought the latter, but haven't really studied it a lot, I could be wrong. Or it could be both. I've certainly committed more than one sin simultaneously with other sins.
He failed to live up to what's known as Levirate Marriage.

(Deu 25:5 “When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.)
 
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He failed to live up to what's known as Levirate Marriage.

(Deu 25:5 “When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.)
Exactly.
 

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I agree! Self-control of course. However self-control is is a mental practice while the act itself is physical. I believe the physical act is natural by way of God’s given hormones for most if not every healthy person and only the mental practice can be sinful or a natural fulfillment of memories of loving marriage experiences and a blessing from God. The self-control to be blessed in my opinion must totally be kept within the marriage memory experiences.

I pray every day for wisdom and understanding. If what I believe about anything is wrong, I’ll trust my Lord Jesus to guide me accordingly.
 

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On a serious note, Songs of Solomon doesn’t hold back on love and lustful pleasures.
 
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I pray every day for wisdom and understanding.
And that's a good thing.

The Bible is silent on some things, like this topic specifically, but one verse that comes to my mind at the moment is:

Let all things be done decently and in order (1 Corinthians 14:40).

There's also a scripture that speaks of fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind as actions we used to do, but implies we should not do anymore (Ephesians 2:3).

If you continue seeking guidance from God in an honest and pure conscience he will lead to the right way. So continue to pray about this as long as your conscience has a desire to keep seeking peace.
 

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I agree! Self-control of course. However self-control is is a mental practice while the act itself is physical. I believe the physical act is natural by way of God’s given hormones for most if not every healthy person and only the mental practice can be sinful or a natural fulfillment of memories of loving marriage experiences and a blessing from God. The self-control to be blessed in my opinion must totally be kept within the marriage memory experiences.

I pray every day for wisdom and understanding. If what I believe about anything is wrong, I’ll trust my Lord Jesus to guide me accordingly.
If you are looking to justify a sexual perversion you will not be able to do so with the word of God. You can believe what ever you want but Homosexuality is sin no matter what you or I feel about it.
 

hornetguy

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If you are looking to justify a sexual perversion you will not be able to do so with the word of God. You can believe what ever you want but Homosexuality is sin no matter what you or I feel about it.
hmmm.... I thought the discussion was about masturbation...?
 

Robo36

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If you are looking to justify a sexual perversion you will not be able to do so with the word of God. You can believe what ever you want but Homosexuality is sin no matter what you or I feel about it.
I agree, but I've yet to find convincing evidence biblical or otherwise that masturbation is a sin at least in every condition. I believe masturbation is a natural act proven by the fact that most all humans have been shown by research to practice it or having practiced it from a very early age. I see no sin in the physical act, only possible lustful sin in the mental incorporation used for its stimulation. I do believe that stimulation generated by memories of loving acts having been practiced in a loving marriage, especially where a spouse has passed away can be and are not just not sinful, but blessed by our maker. I repent if I'm wrong. May the Lord Jesus always guide us.
 

massorite

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According to Scripture, the purpose of a male/female marriage is to be fruitful and multiply. Obviously, the male has a part that fits the females part by God's design. Now, does every time the act of sex produce a child, no, but I guess where the thought of practice makes perfect comes into mind. But one thing is for certain, oral sex and anal sex cannot ever produce children. That leads to the thought process that those sexual acts are not what God had intended (and why Homosexuality is a sin because any acts by same sex partners can never produce children).

As far as masturbation is concerned, will it be fruitful and multiply?

If we stay within the confines of what God instructed Adam and Eve, we can easily deduct what God's intent was compared to what our lusts contradicts.
The Bible does not discuss masturbation explicitly or mention whether or not it is a sin. So any judgement of whether or not masturbation is a sin or not is purely speculation and since there are no scriptures that specifically say the masturbation is a sin then it is not a sin. If it is not written in the Bible it is not.
We need to remember that men produce sperm 24/7,s and that is the way God made men. So the body needs to release at some point which leads to what is called "wet dreams" which cause a release during the night which a natural function of the body that God made. It also leads to the man's desire to get release from the feeling that comes with the fullness feeling. That to is how God made us.
So in Leviticus there is instruction as to what God required of the men who had a night time release.
Lev 15:16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
Deu 23:10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
Deu 23:11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

These verses are not specific as to whether or not they are talking about masturbation or a "wet dream". But according to these verses if a man has a release during the night it is considered to be unclean and there is no punishment associated with the act of the release but cleansing one's self is required so no it is not considered a sin according to these verses.
However if a man fails to cleanse himself it is considered a sin.
Lev 22:4 What man soever of the seed of Aaron is a leper, or hath a running issue; he shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean. And whoso toucheth any thing that is unclean by the dead, or a man whose seed goeth from him;
Lev 22:9 They shall therefore keep mine ordinance, lest they bear sin for it, and die therefore, if they profane it: I the LORD do sanctify them.

However what men are thinking about during the release could be a sin. In the Old Testament it was not a sin to lust in the mind bt in the New Testament it is a sin to lust just by thinking about committing a sin.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
This is an example of how Christ "fulfilled" the law making it a sin to even be thinking in a lustful way about a woman.
Oral sex is also permissible and not a sin in a marriage.

The Bible makes no clear mention of oral sex at all. Therefore, it is difficult to produce an official biblical position. Nevertheless, based on the information that follows, oral sex is not sinful and that it is permissible only within the bonds of marriage between a husband and wife.
The book Song of Solomon is a love poem between a husband and wife. This book is seen in two senses: physical love and a description of God's love for His church. Either way, the book definitely encourages a husband and wife to enjoy the sexual pleasures of one another. It is in this beautiful book that two scriptures appear which may shed light on the issue of oral sex. Let's take a look.
Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad.
May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"
Notice in Song 2:3 that it says, " . . . and his fruit was sweet to my taste." Obviously, this involves very intimate experience. Tasting one another can have a wide variety of applications. It appears that this is a veiled way of alluding to oral sex. Furthermore, if we look at Song 7:8 we read, "I said, I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks. Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine." Apparently, fondling of the breasts is meant here. If such enjoyment of the body is intended and since tasting (which involves the mouth) is part of that expression, it would seem safe to say that oral sex is permissible.
What does it mean to eat the choice fruits of his garden in 4:16? She is saying that she is "his garden" and that she desires that he eat of her fruit.
The poetic use of metaphors in describing the physical relationship is sometimes hard to fully apprehend, but it seems obvious from the context that intimate sexual union is implied.
"The beloved's request that the winds blow on her garden, that is, herself was a delicate, poetically beautiful invitation to her lover to fully possess her (come into her). She wished to be his with her charms as available as fruit on a tree."1
Therefore, oral sex is permissible between a husband and wife.

Here is all the Scriptural proof you need to show that neither masturbation or oral sex in a marraige is not a sin and anybody that advises you any differently is giving you a non scriptural unprovable doctrinal belief and is nothing more than an assumption.



 

Adstar

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Does the Bible condemn masturbation as sin?

Does the Bible condemn oral sex in a loving marriage as sin?

If the answer is yes, please provide scripture.
Masturbation necessarily entails a person thinking about and lusting over another human being.. Either imaginary or actual human being.. Since the person is not married to that person then one is guilty of committing adultery in their thoughts..

Matthew 5: KJV
28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

I do not believe the Bible says anything in regard to oral sex between a husband and wife.
 
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"Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life." -Genesis 38:9-10

Yes that represented a ceremonial law as a shadow . Protecting the seed (one spiritual) Christ .

The genealogy has been fulfilled. The time of reformation, last days, are here. The shadow became sight.

Anything not of faith that comes from hearing God. . . is sin.
 

presidente

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According to Scripture, the purpose of a male/female marriage is to be fruitful and multiply. Obviously, the male has a part that fits the females part by God's design. Now, does every time the act of sex produce a child, no, but I guess where the thought of practice makes perfect comes into mind. But one thing is for certain, oral sex and anal sex cannot ever produce children. That leads to the thought process that those sexual acts are not what God had intended (and why Homosexuality is a sin because any acts by same sex partners can never produce children).

As far as masturbation is concerned, will it be fruitful and multiply?

If we stay within the confines of what God instructed Adam and Eve, we can easily deduct what God's intent was compared to what our lusts contradicts.
Your argument does not work if we are discussing foreplay.

With a young man a suggestion might get him ready. What about an old man who needs a little carressing to be ready for intercourse? And what about women? Can a man touch his wife a bit to prepare her. There may be something in Song of Solomon about this. Is even touching with hands forbidden in your opinion if the wife does it?

And if it is for reproduction are infertile couples in their 90s forbidden to have sex or is it okay since Sarah had a baby when she was in her '90s.

The Bible does not say sex is forbidden in marriage if it is not focused on making babies. Paul suggested marriage to prevent fornication. It allows folks to experience 'due benevolence' and to prevent fornication. Even the RCC allows trying to-do it on nonfertile days for her.
 

presidente

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Yes, I believe it was both. Onan wanted pleasure without commitment. The literal rendering is actually "whenever Onan would go into his brother's wife..." This was ongoing. He was using her purely for pleasure.
He was also neglecting the duty to raise up seed unto his brother.

A couple with three kids have already multiplied.

If Onan had practiced coitus interruptus after having a baby with Tamar is there any reason to think he would have been slain fir it? ( no reference to masturbation in the passage and no need for it technically if he was skilled at the coitus interruptus.)
 

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Masturbation necessarily entails a person thinking about and lusting over another human being.. Either imaginary or actual human being.. Since the person is not married to that person then one is guilty of committing adultery in their thoughts..
Here the key word is “marriage.” What man can lust after his own wife? What man or woman can be guilty of sin if they masturbate in memory of loving acts having been enjoyed with their loving departed spouse, whether they have passed away or been separated otherwise from them for a time? If that is sin, I do believe our master and savior or somewhere in the scriptures would have guided us. How much of what we have simply been taught in our lifetimes about sex and our religion are simply imagined opinions from others fearful of their own natural sexuality and the creators of non-scriptural taboos?

May my Lord Jesus guide me if I error in my beliefs and instruct me away from sin.
 

presidente

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Masturbation necessarily entails a person thinking about and lusting over another human being.. Either imaginary or actual human being.. Since the person is not married to that person then one is guilty of committing adultery in their thoughts..
I disagree that one MUST lust after someone for that be the case. There are prepubescents who masturbate (shown elsewhere in the thread. I know there is some academic lit on this.) Kids do not feel attracted to the opposite sex before a certain age. Someone could masturbate without looking at porn or imagining Marla Sue from math class naked. If the masturbator is thinking of buying groceries or math., or married and thinking of his or ger spouse, what about these cases?

Matthew 5: KJV
28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
 
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The law of the first born a ceremonial shadow fulfilled by our bloody husband the first born of many brethren.

The protection of the spiritual seed Christ. That geanalolgy as to the generation of the Son of man was fulfilled when Jesus said it is finished. . the veil representing His foreflesh was rent and remains rent.