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Well I did listen to the video you supplied by Ariel Cohen Alloco but could not understand him. I also noticed he was talking about Exodus 23:20 which I already have marked in my Bible. As an interesting side note the first part of the verse says, "Behold, I am going to send "AN" angel before you to guard you along the way." Like I said earlier the angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ but to the Jews (and I have debated a few them on this subject) they say the angel of the Lord is just that, an angel and not the preincarnate Jesus Christ.
They base their opinion on that one word "an or it could even be "a." But here is the point I am trying to make. There is a difference between the words "an or a" and the word "the." Now bear with me because this is interesting. When one uses the word "an or a" it can refer to any angel. When you use the word "the" it means a specific angel that has already be mentioned or identified.
A good example from Matthew 1:1 is vs20. But when he had considered this, behold, "AN" angel of the Lord appeared to him." And btw, "THE" angel of the Lord, i.e Jesus Christ never appears in the NT as the angel of the Lord." An even better example is at Acts 7 when Stephe is reading the riot act to the Jews. Notice at vs30 he says, "And after 40 years passed AN angel appeared to him (referring to Moses). This is still the angel of the Lord because of what Stephen says at vs38, "This is the one who was in the congrefation in the wilderness together with THE ANGEL who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai." It was the Lord speaking to Moses back at Exodus 19. I hope I'm not boring you.
Now to get back to Rav Ginsburg who believe it or not is the same age as me. He is an accomplished person in many areas of his life but I could not find anywhere that he believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah. If you can show me fine, but from what I read I don't think so. Do you know this guy?
I'll stop for now. 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
They base their opinion on that one word "an or it could even be "a." But here is the point I am trying to make. There is a difference between the words "an or a" and the word "the." Now bear with me because this is interesting. When one uses the word "an or a" it can refer to any angel. When you use the word "the" it means a specific angel that has already be mentioned or identified.
A good example from Matthew 1:1 is vs20. But when he had considered this, behold, "AN" angel of the Lord appeared to him." And btw, "THE" angel of the Lord, i.e Jesus Christ never appears in the NT as the angel of the Lord." An even better example is at Acts 7 when Stephe is reading the riot act to the Jews. Notice at vs30 he says, "And after 40 years passed AN angel appeared to him (referring to Moses). This is still the angel of the Lord because of what Stephen says at vs38, "This is the one who was in the congrefation in the wilderness together with THE ANGEL who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai." It was the Lord speaking to Moses back at Exodus 19. I hope I'm not boring you.
Now to get back to Rav Ginsburg who believe it or not is the same age as me. He is an accomplished person in many areas of his life but I could not find anywhere that he believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah. If you can show me fine, but from what I read I don't think so. Do you know this guy?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well I did listen to the video you supplied by Ariel Cohen Alloco but could not understand him. I also noticed he was talking about Exodus 23:20 which I already have marked in my Bible. As an interesting side note the first part of the verse says, "Behold, I am going to send "AN" angel before you to guard you along the way." Like I said earlier the angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ but to the Jews (and I have debated a few them on this subject) they say the angel of the Lord is just that, an angel and not the preincarnate Jesus Christ.
They base their opinion on that one word "an or it could even be "a." But here is the point I am trying to make. There is a difference between the words "an or a" and the word "the." Now bear with me because this is interesting. When one uses the word "an or a" it can refer to any angel. When you use the word "the" it means a specific angel that has already be mentioned or identified.
A good example from Matthew 1:1 is vs20. But when he had considered this, behold, "AN" angel of the Lord appeared to him." And btw, "THE" angel of the Lord, i.e Jesus Christ never appears in the NT as the angel of the Lord." An even better example is at Acts 7 when Stephe is reading the riot act to the Jews. Notice at vs30 he says, "And after 40 years passed AN angel appeared to him (referring to Moses). This is still the angel of the Lord because of what Stephen says at vs38, "This is the one who was in the congrefation in the wilderness together with THE ANGEL who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai." It was the Lord speaking to Moses back at Exodus 19. I hope I'm not boring you.
Now to get back to Rav Ginsburg who believe it or not is the same age as me. He is an accomplished person in many areas of his life but I could not find anywhere that he believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah. If you can show me fine, but from what I read I don't think so. Do you know this guy?
I'll stop for now.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
They base their opinion on that one word "an or it could even be "a." But here is the point I am trying to make. There is a difference between the words "an or a" and the word "the." Now bear with me because this is interesting. When one uses the word "an or a" it can refer to any angel. When you use the word "the" it means a specific angel that has already be mentioned or identified.
A good example from Matthew 1:1 is vs20. But when he had considered this, behold, "AN" angel of the Lord appeared to him." And btw, "THE" angel of the Lord, i.e Jesus Christ never appears in the NT as the angel of the Lord." An even better example is at Acts 7 when Stephe is reading the riot act to the Jews. Notice at vs30 he says, "And after 40 years passed AN angel appeared to him (referring to Moses). This is still the angel of the Lord because of what Stephen says at vs38, "This is the one who was in the congrefation in the wilderness together with THE ANGEL who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai." It was the Lord speaking to Moses back at Exodus 19. I hope I'm not boring you.
Now to get back to Rav Ginsburg who believe it or not is the same age as me. He is an accomplished person in many areas of his life but I could not find anywhere that he believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah. If you can show me fine, but from what I read I don't think so. Do you know this guy?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I’m not saying you are wrong and the argument is a good one but remember, the soul of the Mashiach is higher than all Angels. Mashiach is the master of legions and angels!
As for Ariel, you can learn a lot only if you understand him. Trust me even I get lost at times lol.
Rav Ginsburgh will NOT bluntly state it or make it obvious. You have to understand that being a Jew can literally in this age cost you your life for believing Yeshua. But even more, just to say “I believe in him” has no value when the immediate answer is “rejection, now leave our people” and you are exiled. Jews must be “prepared”. 2,000 years of persecution and most recently the holocaust in the name of “Jesus” would do this to any people.
It is different with Jews than with Gentiles. For now that it is but the Jews I know are working on it! I hope you can understand. It more intricate than a simple literate translation of Yeshua’s words.
As for Rav Gudri yup. Ariel has a video on his letter.
The Jewish guy I debated (who btw knows Hebrew) never told me that "a" or "an" are not in their language. Even so the way they get out of it is by using the "Shaliah principle" or "The Law of Agency." In this case the angel of the Lord is the agent for God and the agent is fully empowered to represent the "principal" which in this case is God Almighty. So the agent is speaking on behalf of God.
I should also state that the Hebrew word for "angel" is "malak." This word can mean an actual angel like Michael or Gabriel. It can also mean "messenger." Now, indeed angels are messengers but how the word is used depends on the context on how it is to be used. The angel of the Lord who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ is a messenger and not an actual angel.
For example it says at Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send My angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
Mark 1:2-3 says this? "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send My angel/messenger before your face, who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make read the way of the Lord." Well as it turns out it wan not an angel who prepared the way of the Lord, but a messenger who was John the Baptist and he ain't no angel. So like I said, it depends on how the word malak is used in its context.
Now, getting back to Malachi 3:1, (And btw, Malachi who wrote the book well his name is derived from the word "malak" and Malachi is of course a human being). In vs1, who do you think is the Lord who will come to His temple? And who do you think is the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom we will delight who is coming, says the Lord of hosts?" And where in the OT was the covenant made and what did the covenant say? Any ideas mountaindude? I also have "killer" proof that the angel of the Lord is God that I would love to share with you that puts the Jews back on their heels.
And as a side note regarding the Hebrew letters and the kabalah with its mysticism and when you said one can gain a deep understanding etc. How do you know by using these methods or studying them makes you any closer to God or more spiritual by attaining greater levels in connecting with God? My point is the fact you and neither do I know the operation of one's mind or heart, only God knows. The point I am making is what the Apostel Paul stated at 2 Corinthians 10:12, "For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves, and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I should also state that the Hebrew word for "angel" is "malak." This word can mean an actual angel like Michael or Gabriel. It can also mean "messenger." Now, indeed angels are messengers but how the word is used depends on the context on how it is to be used. The angel of the Lord who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ is a messenger and not an actual angel.
For example it says at Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send My angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
Mark 1:2-3 says this? "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send My angel/messenger before your face, who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make read the way of the Lord." Well as it turns out it wan not an angel who prepared the way of the Lord, but a messenger who was John the Baptist and he ain't no angel. So like I said, it depends on how the word malak is used in its context.
Now, getting back to Malachi 3:1, (And btw, Malachi who wrote the book well his name is derived from the word "malak" and Malachi is of course a human being). In vs1, who do you think is the Lord who will come to His temple? And who do you think is the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom we will delight who is coming, says the Lord of hosts?" And where in the OT was the covenant made and what did the covenant say? Any ideas mountaindude? I also have "killer" proof that the angel of the Lord is God that I would love to share with you that puts the Jews back on their heels.
And as a side note regarding the Hebrew letters and the kabalah with its mysticism and when you said one can gain a deep understanding etc. How do you know by using these methods or studying them makes you any closer to God or more spiritual by attaining greater levels in connecting with God? My point is the fact you and neither do I know the operation of one's mind or heart, only God knows. The point I am making is what the Apostel Paul stated at 2 Corinthians 10:12, "For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves, and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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The Jewish guy I debated (who btw knows Hebrew) never told me that "a" or "an" are not in their language. Even so the way they get out of it is by using the "Shaliah principle" or "The Law of Agency." In this case the angel of the Lord is the agent for God and the agent is fully empowered to represent the "principal" which in this case is God Almighty. So the agent is speaking on behalf of God.
I should also state that the Hebrew word for "angel" is "malak." This word can mean an actual angel like Michael or Gabriel. It can also mean "messenger." Now, indeed angels are messengers but how the word is used depends on the context on how it is to be used. The angel of the Lord who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ is a messenger and not an actual angel.
For example it says at Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send My angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
Mark 1:2-3 says this? "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send My angel/messenger before your face, who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make read the way of the Lord." Well as it turns out it wan not an angel who prepared the way of the Lord, but a messenger who was John the Baptist and he ain't no angel. So like I said, it depends on how the word malak is used in its context.
Now, getting back to Malachi 3:1, (And btw, Malachi who wrote the book well his name is derived from the word "malak" and Malachi is of course a human being). In vs1, who do you think is the Lord who will come to His temple? And who do you think is the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom we will delight who is coming, says the Lord of hosts?" And where in the OT was the covenant made and what did the covenant say? Any ideas mountaindude? I also have "killer" proof that the angel of the Lord is God that I would love to share with you that puts the Jews back on their heels.
And as a side note regarding the Hebrew letters and the kabalah with its mysticism and when you said one can gain a deep understanding etc. How do you know by using these methods or studying them makes you any closer to God or more spiritual by attaining greater levels in connecting with God? My point is the fact you and neither do I know the operation of one's mind or heart, only God knows. The point I am making is what the Apostel Paul stated at 2 Corinthians 10:12, "For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves, and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I should also state that the Hebrew word for "angel" is "malak." This word can mean an actual angel like Michael or Gabriel. It can also mean "messenger." Now, indeed angels are messengers but how the word is used depends on the context on how it is to be used. The angel of the Lord who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ is a messenger and not an actual angel.
For example it says at Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send My angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
Mark 1:2-3 says this? "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send My angel/messenger before your face, who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make read the way of the Lord." Well as it turns out it wan not an angel who prepared the way of the Lord, but a messenger who was John the Baptist and he ain't no angel. So like I said, it depends on how the word malak is used in its context.
Now, getting back to Malachi 3:1, (And btw, Malachi who wrote the book well his name is derived from the word "malak" and Malachi is of course a human being). In vs1, who do you think is the Lord who will come to His temple? And who do you think is the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom we will delight who is coming, says the Lord of hosts?" And where in the OT was the covenant made and what did the covenant say? Any ideas mountaindude? I also have "killer" proof that the angel of the Lord is God that I would love to share with you that puts the Jews back on their heels.
And as a side note regarding the Hebrew letters and the kabalah with its mysticism and when you said one can gain a deep understanding etc. How do you know by using these methods or studying them makes you any closer to God or more spiritual by attaining greater levels in connecting with God? My point is the fact you and neither do I know the operation of one's mind or heart, only God knows. The point I am making is what the Apostel Paul stated at 2 Corinthians 10:12, "For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves, and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I agree 100%!
But yes Kabbalah DOESN'T make anyone closer. No law or wisdom of even the knowledge of Yeshua means anything.....if the attitude and heart are not in the right place. Does that take away that amazing depths that Kabbalah or even Yeshua's words have? No. You can be a simple loving Believer and sacrifice your self endlessly without knowing a "lick" of scripture. But just like the 12 tribes were organized (just like the Body of Mashiach), each tribe has a different role. So to say one knows more than another or one is less significant than the other = pride (period!). I need bread and a farmer, just as much as I need my mom and I need my sight just as much as I need a University degree. I am just stating in the realm of "wisdom" or "deeper insight" (because G-d is infinite), Kabbalah pushes the bounderies very far, but first one must master his love and righteousness!
I hope that makes sense. I agree with you!
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I find conjugating G-d and Christ helps in understanding their combined and separate existence in scriptures;.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
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I find conjugating G-d and Christ helps in understanding their combined and separate existence in scriptures;.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
You need a SERIOUS bible study on Jesus as CREATOR.
THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN FAITH HINGES ON WHO THE CREATOR IS.
All the cults do what you just did.
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I find conjugating G-d and Christ helps in understanding their combined and separate existence in scriptures;.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
G-d always existed...Christ did not.
G-d created all...Christ did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.
Another summary;
Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
John 17:5
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Input: like I previously stated I have only read bits and pieces. If the disciple of the Bible were not to watch their words carefully they would surely die before the gospel was preached, believed and recorded. Today, in my country as a disciple of Jesus... I can clearly say from the comfort of my home, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is Jesus? The word was created by God, but only through his Holy Spirit. Now we who have accepted Christ as he should be have the Holy Spirit to help us. Which would be why we must form a relation with Jesus/the Holy Spirit.... His word, Our God.